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  • I've been sailing Hobie Waves for years at the local sailing club (Clearwater Community Sailing Center, FL) and it getting a little old. I used to own a Taipan F-16 rig but I couldn't right it and it was generally too hot for what I'm looking for. What am I looking for?

    I'm 150 lbs and sail single handed 90% of the time. Occasionally I take my wife (120 lbs) out for a sail. She's happy to get wet and handle a line but doesn't want to "learn to sail", so not much more than a passenger.

    So I'm looking for something that isn't as hot as an F-16 but I still want the main & spinnaker setup. Probably skegs rather than daggerboards... At the momemt I'm thinking a Nacra 460 (do they still sell these?) or maybe a RS/Topaz 14.

    Am I missing something? Am I being reasonable? Thanks in advance.



    Edited by danielt1263 on Oct 19, 2022 - 11:02 PM.
  • Check the latest TheBeachcats.com Classified ads. Topcat K4 (I've never heard of it), but sounds like it would fit your needs.
    Roller furling jib, roller genneker, and wings! (they help a lot when soloing); All in a 15' boardless design.



    Edited by georgeseary on Oct 20, 2022 - 01:45 AM.
  • Nacra 500 or its predecessor the 5.0. Even though you mostly sail solo, there will be times when you want to take a friend especially if it's too windy and out of your single handing "comfort zone". I owned one for ten years and ninety per cent of the time I was by myself. It was a great single hander and with my light weight it was very responsive. During that time, I was well into my 60's, 150 lbs and was still able to step the mast solo. As far as righting is concerned, there are plenty of devices to help you, like bags or even a gin pole stowed under the boat.

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    Bill Townsend
    G-Cat 5.7
    Sarasota
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  • georgesearyCheck the latest TheBeachcats.com Classified ads. Topcat K4 (I've never heard of it), but sounds like it would fit your needs.
    Roller furling jib, roller genneker, and wings! (they help a lot when soloing); All in a 15' boardless design.Edited by georgeseary on Oct 20, 2022 - 01:45 AM.

    It's a German boat https://topcat.de/en/boats/k4x/. As far as I can tell, they have no US dealers. You have to order direct from them and they ship the boat to you. It's a good deal lighter than the Nacra 460... Hmm...
  • The Topcat looks like a cool boat with the exception of the rudder system. It's a cassette system and I doubt it kicks up on impact. I took a look at the assembly manual and it says the rudder cassette must be completely closed when sailing or it will be damaged which makes it seem complex and delicate. This would be a deal breaker for me, but if you always sailed in deep water it may be fine.
  • Looking at the one in the classifieds being sold by east coast sailboats, I would assume they are a dealer. The boat looks brand new and there is another one sitting next to it? The rudders might be the deal breaker for a beachcat as they don't look to be kick up.
  • danielt1263 - we were sailing there couple weeks ago. Plenty of options. I think I spotted a Nacra 500 (or 520?) for sale at the northern fenced lot. There's also a red Weta there which may be for sale.

    You could get your hands on a Nacra 15 (2nd hand) - which can be sailed depowered, or you can power it up and it's a hoot. It can be righted solo by an adult (at your weight, might need a water bag to assist - I right it with 170lbs).

    You could get a "previous generation" a-cat. Or a modern F16 – similar to N15 above for soloing and two-handed.

    Definitely talk to Robbie and Jill (Red Gear Racing) – they work from there, have some boats for sale, and/or will have info on good deals. Even if you buy elsewhere, talk to Robbie about having a session with him to squeeze the juice out of it, and perhaps learn handling in difficult conditions.

    Clearwater is possibly one of the best venues ever for a beach cat.
  • QuoteDefinitely talk to Robbie and Jill (Red Gear Racing) – they work from there, have some boats for sale, and/or will have info on good deals. Even if you buy elsewhere, talk to Robbie about having a session with him to squeeze the juice out of it, and perhaps learn handling in difficult conditions.

    Clearwater is possibly one of the best venues ever for a beach cat.

    +1
  • Hobie 17 with a righting pole would fit the bill.
  • If spending ~$7000+ you should also evaluate a Weta.
    James
  • Well, I got the Topcat K4X. For the curious, I looked into the rudders and the do have a kick-up feature. It should be substantially more fun than the Hobie Wave has been.

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