• leeboweffect
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 11, 2018 - 10:48 AM

  Helping a friend who just bought a 5.0. It's a 1984 and has the strap arrangement for crossbeam to hull attachment. I'm unfamiliar with this arrangement as my 5.0 is a 1983 and uses the 3/8" stud up from the hull. Here's a pic of his strap/beam:
  
  
  
  The gap between the bottom of the strap and hull seems excessive and even with the chip, the bolt is being loaded sideways to an extreme.
  
  Looking at the manual I see that the final geometry is much more square with virtually no gap.
  
  
  
  Then I see a note in the manual that specifies an 8-3/4" strap for all boardless boats.
  
  
  
  My conclusion is that this boat has the shorter, incorrect straps. Comments please.
  
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• nacra55
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 11, 2018 - 11:02 AM

  leeboweffect

  My conclusion is that this boat has the shorter, incorrect straps. Comments please.

  
  
  That's possible.
  
  On the 5.5, 5.8 and 6.0 there were front straps and rear straps, maybe they are the same on the 5.0 and the straps are reversed.
  
  Beam bolts are torqued to 16 or 18 lbs, I can't remember, its in the old manual. I've seen lots of boats were the bolts did not pull the straps down tight to the hulls. Be careful with the beam bolts, it's easy to strip the threads inside the hulls.
  
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• ohmsj
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 11, 2018 - 11:19 PM

  so I have a 5.0 with a center beam front to back like the 5.2 my question is can I take it out
  I don't have straps over the beams just the bolt through the beam to the hulls
  
  thanks for your input on this
  
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• Andinista
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 12, 2018 - 08:03 AM

  My old 5.0 was like that, one day one side of the rear beam came off while sailing. It wasn’t catasthrophic, everything came loose but the mast stayed up. I had a towing line with which I tied the beam around the hull, just to get back. The bolt ripped off with a block of epoxy, clearly a bad repair from the previous owner, which means it had failed before. I wasn’t freaked out but i sold the boat, it was about time anyway (to the guy that repaired it, so in good hands..). The buyer added straps, I would have done the same if I had kept it.

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• Andinista
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 12, 2018 - 08:10 AM

  I didn’t have the front to rear beam, I think it’s not relevant in relation to the need of straps, I don’t think it serves any purpose on your boat, actually, except maybe support for your feet when flying a hull. On the 5.2 it’s function, as I understand, was to avoid rotation of the beam, because they were not bolted to the hull from inside.
  
  
  
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• Andinista
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 12, 2018 - 08:31 AM

  Regarding the original post, yes it doesn't look very good, I'd replace those straps if it was my boat.

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• Dogboy
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 12, 2018 - 12:14 PM

  The exposed corners of those straps look like the perfect place for a sheet to wedge itself into at the worst possible moment or for taking a nice chunk of flesh out of your leg in heavy conditions. I would definitely use a longer strap or at the very least put some type of spacer between the top of the deck and the bottom of the strap flange. It will also help distribute the load better and reduce the risk of the bolt shearing off.
  
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• leeboweffect
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 12, 2018 - 08:38 PM

  Dogboy

  The exposed corners of those straps look like the perfect place for a sheet to wedge itself into at the worst possible moment or for taking a nice chunk of flesh out of your leg in heavy conditions. I would definitely use a longer strap or at the very least put some type of spacer between the top of the deck and the bottom of the strap flange. It will also help distribute the load better and reduce the risk of the bolt shearing off.
  
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  In addition to the structural issues I had the same thought on the "as is" being nothing more than a nuisance line catcher and/or meat hook. A spacer will fix these issues, but not the side loading of the bolts.
  
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• Dogboy
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 13, 2018 - 10:04 AM

  Actually, a spacer will help with the loading of the bolt because it will allow the flange of the strap and the head of the bolt to bear against a solid surface, so lateral load will be transferred to the flange of the bolt, through the spacer, and to the deck. The spacer would give the bolt and strap something solid to bear against which will improve the overall strength of the attachment. It will be a safer and more robust setup all around.
  
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• Edchris177
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 13, 2018 - 11:18 AM

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  The gap between the bottom of the strap and hull seems excessive and even with the chip, the bolt is being loaded sideways to an extreme.

  
  That does look excessive, however, the straps might be correct.
  One thing to check is proper assembly, it is very easy to miss a small detail. I just put my 5.7 back together 2 weeks ago. When doing up one strap, I ran into the same problem, it looked to short.
  Be sure to assemble on level ground The manual says to lift each bow & shake the boat, BEFORE you fully tighten the bolts down to 16-18ft lb.
  I loosened the bolts, shook the bows, & bingo, it went together properly.
  It appears you are missing the rubber piece that goes between the deck & the strap. This takes up some of the gap, & prevents the strap from marking the gelcote.
  There are 3 different straps. As mentioned, the boarded boats use 2 different straps. The 5.0/5.7 use the same on front & rear, PART # 3510. The manual calls it 8 3/4". Dagger boats use an 8 1/2" strap for the rear, & an 8" strap at the front. Measure them up using a cloth tailors tape, or very thin steel tape. If they are wrong, Dan Berger, or Pete Begle can probably find you some.
  I have the Parts Catalog in PDF. If you PM an email addy, I'll send it to you. I can't find it on the site here.
  

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  so I have a 5.0 with a center beam front to back like the 5.2 my question is can I take it out
  I don't have straps over the beams just the bolt through the beam to the hulls

  
  I don't think that's a good idea. The reason for the center beam is to prevent the mast from turning the front beam. Many hardcore racers would remove the center post, & the half moon chocks inside the beam. To prevent beam rotation they drilled 2 holes in each strap, & installed rivets.
  Obviously you cannot do this if you don't have beam straps. On the older 5.0, the stud serves to hold the beam onto the hull, & prevent it from rotating when the mast takes loads.
  
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• ohmsj
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 13, 2018 - 11:51 AM

  So it sounds like the bolts alone are not strong enough to keep the beams connected to the hulls and the front beam from rotating ?
  do all the later 5.0 have both straps and bolts?
  
  thanks again for you input.
  
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• Edchris177
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 13, 2018 - 12:02 PM

  I don't have any personal experience with the pre '83 5.0 boats that just used the studs, I've only seen photos of them.
  I assume it didn't hold up in rough conditions, so they changed it. My 5.7 has straps & the half moon chocks inside the hulls, so does the '88 5.0.
  
  
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• ohmsj
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 13, 2018 - 01:07 PM

  Ed
  on your 5.0 are the straps riveted to the beam or just strapped over the top
  
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  Posted: Jul 13, 2018 - 02:24 PM

  No rivets, just wrap over the top, that is the factory way. Any that are riveted were done by previous owners.
  
  
  
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• tamumpower1
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 13, 2018 - 08:20 PM

  ohmsj

  So it sounds like the bolts alone are not strong enough to keep the beams connected to the hulls and the front beam from rotating ?
  do all the later 5.0 have both straps and bolts?
  
  thanks again for you input.

  
  
  Theres a tube that runs between the beams to keep them from rotating, otherwise yea they would rotate all over the place.

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• leeboweffect
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 14, 2018 - 11:37 AM

  taumumpower1

  Theres a tube that runs between the beams to keep them from rotating, otherwise yea they would rotate all over the place.

  
  
  My 1983 Nacra 5.0 only has the 3/8 studs from the hull for crossbeam attachment and no center beam. I've run the boat now for 3 seasons and so far so good. The front beam does not rotate because the correct front beam casting has a boss on it. Note that I added an extra smooth (no boss) casting on the inner stud just for peace of mind.
  
  
  
  
  
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• leeboweffect
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 14, 2018 - 12:15 PM

  Anyone have any of the 8-3/4" straps available?
  
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  Posted: Jul 14, 2018 - 12:43 PM

  leeboweffect

  Anyone have any of the 8-3/4" straps available?

  
  not sure of the size, but you could call and ask
  Beam Strap All N5.0, 5.7
  $18.00 each
  
  https://www.murrays.com/product/56-3510/
  
  
  
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  Posted: Jul 14, 2018 - 12:46 PM

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• ohmsj
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 14, 2018 - 01:13 PM

  leeboweffect
  Thanks for the info on your 5.0 I may look into the straps and see how hard it will be to add them.
  I think the hard part will be getting the underside of the beam pocket to hold the nuts while you tighten the bolts. we will see how thing go.
  
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