Goodsailing,
Here's a link to the winch that I've seen ppl use. They single-handedly raise their mast with virtually no effort or drama. The winch package comes with all the cables to hook it up and control it. You just need to tie off a trap wire to each front corner of the tramp frame.
http://www.harborfreight.com/2000-lb-marine-electric-winch-61237.html
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Posted: Mar 26, 2015 - 03:08 PM
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Posted: Mar 26, 2015 - 08:36 PM
On my 20' Mystere, that was critical, unless you had lots of lateral clearway.
Before I put the Cat on a Seadoo lift, I mucked around with stepping the mast. If you have lots of room to the sides, it really doesn't matter if the mast moves off to the side 5' or so. If your lines are not the same length it will usually fall off one way. I made up some lines specifically for this purpose, using old bridal wires. The thimbles at the ends & quick connect shackles made it all go easy.
That's what the original owner did when he built the trailer for my 20' Mystere. I could easily raise the mast solo. If you screwed something up, it was 10 seconds to lower it part way, fix the problem & raise it again.
However, simply raising the mast was the easy part. Getting that 31' stick into place, & attaching all the rigging was way easier with 2 people.
Here you can see the electric winch mounted on trailer. The pole, with sheave, extends upwards & is then pinned, to create an easy pull angle
Edited by Edchris177 on Mar 26, 2015 - 08:49 PM.
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Posted: Mar 26, 2015 - 09:29 PM
Here is how the electric winch works.
I put some photos in an album, it can be found in TECHNICAL, Trailers.
here;
http://www.thebeachcats.c…ictures?g2_itemId=113144
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Posted: Mar 27, 2015 - 12:01 PM
Goodsailing: In an effort to possibly better define the problem......how much would you estimate that your mast weighs?
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Posted: Mar 27, 2015 - 12:08 PM
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Posted: Mar 27, 2015 - 06:04 PM
50lbs. I can lift it and carry it around etc. It's getting it up through the crux standing on the tramp when it's hinged. I drained the mast, but the foam inside could be holding water...
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Posted: Mar 27, 2015 - 06:15 PM
True, but I'm learning through reading and asking questions, and failing. HA
Edited by goodsailing on Mar 27, 2015 - 09:02 PM.
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Posted: Mar 28, 2015 - 11:04 AM
If it's 50 LBS then it is likely not holding much if any water. I measured two of our comptip masts a few years ago and I believe they were both 55 LBS.
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Posted: Mar 28, 2015 - 05:35 PM
I noticed in the Hobie 18 manual, they actually feature two people lifting the mast in one of the photo's. I also noticed there's no chain plate on the forestay. The roller furler is just attached to the end of the forestay. Any reason the previous owner had the chain plate? The roller fuller is attached at the end, hence making the forestay longer. More rake?
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Posted: Mar 28, 2015 - 06:24 PM
The chain plate or forestay adjuster is shown on page 10 of the manual, but it is hard to see due to the darkness of the picture and because it is adjusted to a very short length. The adjuster is just a piece of flat stainless steel bar with about 10 holes punched in it. It is a standard H18 part and is needed to properly connect the swaged fork fitting on the forestay to the roller furler.
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Posted: Mar 30, 2015 - 06:20 AM
shot 2 videos for you
stepping and unstepping the mast
first one (step) the camera was not in the best spot (on another cat) but you can see MY mechanics with a helper on a safety line
second video is better angle of my buddy solo dropping it
https://www.youtube.com/w…UUDFB19kzJwcRCJRH2jDRAcw
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Posted: Mar 30, 2015 - 12:12 PM
As Dogboy stated, I think you're good on the water holding issue. I just wanted to make sure that variable had been properly removed from the equation since you couldn't get the masthead off (per your other thread). FYI...If your mast is all Al (not a comp tip), there should not be any foam in there except for the two relatively small plugs.
Edited by rattlenhum on Mar 30, 2015 - 12:13 PM.
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Posted: Mar 30, 2015 - 02:06 PM
How did you get the mast that high up on the rear crutch going up. I see someone pulling on the forestay line too. Yes if you can elevate the mast up so that you can get under it, then you are beyond the crux. Good videos...
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Posted: Mar 30, 2015 - 02:11 PM
Mast hinge still isn't here yet, so Is it worth welding a 7 or 8' T handle to the beech wheel axle?
Edited by goodsailing on Mar 30, 2015 - 05:58 PM.
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Posted: Mar 30, 2015 - 02:18 PM
ALL the guys i sail with trailer with the sterns facing the car for this exact reason.
you just roll the mast backwards and pin it- and you have this advantageous angle and room to get under the mast
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Posted: Mar 30, 2015 - 02:20 PM
i have cradles - no arm needed - -
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Posted: Mar 30, 2015 - 06:13 PM
I wouldn't bother. I place my wheels beneath the stays and, using the rope on the ends of the wheels, take about 3-4 wraps around the sidestay chain plate. The boat will be very easy to balance on the wheels at this point. You can just walk to the front and grab the bridle wires where they come together and move the boat around easily. I usually put the bridle wires behind my neck/on my shoulders and grab one in each hand. It's pretty easy to control the balance of the boat and move it around.
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Posted: Mar 30, 2015 - 06:15 PM
What do you tie the line that's attached to the forestay if raising the mast solo? Is it wrapped around the front wires holding the roller fuller then back to the mast for tie off so that you can jump down and pin the forestay?
Edited by goodsailing on Mar 30, 2015 - 06:16 PM.
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Posted: Mar 31, 2015 - 07:02 AM
I don't use a saftey line if i am truly solo - however i will walk up and ask a "strong looking" beach goer for a little help "holding" my safety line. Once i am about to step i will tell them to go ahead and pull as i start to lift
when i solo step
I make sure my bows are at least slightly downhill if i can (for 2 reasons, 1 to assist in the angle. 2 so once the mast is up ... gravity will help it lean slightly /stand 90* to the boat)
after the mast is up i take the forestay in hand and walk out on a bow (all the while keeping tension on the forestay to stop the mast from falling)
I get down off the bow (boat still on trailer) and tie off the forestay to the furler ring *(portugesse turnbuckle)
to be honest this is my least fav part of solo stepping
to be even more honest, i utilize (cleat) my spinnaker halyard (that is already tied to the furler ring) this is about the same thing as securing the forestay and can walk out on the bow/off the boat with much less "fear" of the mast dropping
i ALWAYS look for people walking behind me as i do this, and will wait till there is no one in the "danger zone"
if there are people parked next to me, i will alert them to the fact i am stepping my mast, and they shouldn't worry but keep an eye out incase anything goes wrong
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