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golfdad75

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Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 04:19 PM

If you use a quick pin on the forestay or shrouds then it is just a matter of when not if. But literally if you want "knock yourself out"

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Quarath

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Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 04:36 PM

I want a mast caddy like Coastrats. There were 2 similar on ebay this week. One I just missed and the other some fool bid the price up to much.

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Dustin Finlinson • Magna, UT
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coastrat

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Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 04:53 PM

mast caddy is sweet...saves time/effort for sure...someone should make them new these days...

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panic_button

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Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 07:05 PM

I bought one on ebay for the bow, for much less than what they were wanting by using the "offer" choice ($30). I got it and an $7 T from Lowes made the base.

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RSabast

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Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 10:14 PM

About quick pins on standing rigging: I'll do a little research and see if the ft/lb value of the shearing strength of the hollow stainless quick pin exceeds, or is less than, the tensile strength of the forestay cable. No argument that it is less than a solid 1/4 steel pin, but how much less? And, are those ft/lb load limits reached on a forestay during sailing operations? And how much margin is there, exactly? These quantities should be easy to figure out.

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halliske

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Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 11:08 PM

HOTTIES LOVE OLDE FAT GUYES.. USEUALLY CUZ THEY KNOW HOW TO DO "CPR" WHEN THE GUYS CODE BLUE BUT THEY ARE NOT THAT GOOD , having practiced on other parts. .. and they are in the will.. Bill what about a new envention.. A set of beach wheels that has tracks like a tank (Like U) and a small Clinten lawn mower mooter. Crank that babeie up and all the hotties on the beach will be there!! You bee packen their make up kits and kegs for a nice day on the blue and not loose a LB.. Think how that would sell at the dealership with an indoursemetn for you !! Perhaps a personal apperance.. Sign autographes or do small Tats in privet places. Just Sayen.. Hal

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RSabast

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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 09:14 AM

The shear strength of a ¼ inch 17-4 stainless quick pin is 9,200 pounds.

The forestay is 5/32 1x19 stainless cable with a tensile strength of 3,300 pounds.

I think I’m okay.

Edited by RSabast on Jul 27, 2012 - 02:14 PM.

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HULLFLYER

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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 10:00 AM

I took some pictures if you will send me your email address I will send them. I am not good at postinjg pictures on the forums, the classified ads are easy to post pictures.
Quarath
QuoteI use a block of wood the shape of the open space in the rudder casting when the rudder is raised to its highest level. There is a hole in the block of wood for a line to tie it off so it will remain there.
If you like I will send you a picture of what I use.

I would like to see a picture of that. In fact if you would trace the outline on a paper and scan it and post it that would be cool I could use it as a template.

I don't leave mine on for long trailering but I left them on for the 10 min drive back from the Great Salt Lake yesterday. It was my first time out there and we needed to get home quick. It worked out all right but you have to have something to keep the mast above the level of the crossbar. My homemade mast caddy is just barely tall enough but not as much as I would like.
HULLFLYER

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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 10:19 AM

I had mentioned earlier in this thread that I use rudder trailering blocks while trailering Prindles. I put some pictures of them on the classified ads. Mainly because I could not add pictures to the album section (it's just me, I am not good at that stuff although I did try for some time), and also if someone does not want to make there own I would knock out a few sets.
makinmajik

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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 10:57 AM

I could not find the blocks in the classifieds so I sent you a message with my email. Send the pics to me and I will post them to my album and then put them in a post here.

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makinmajik

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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 01:56 PM

Here are the pictures, very cool by the way. They are actually in a separate album in the tech section.

I'm pretty sure someone will want to know, so what would you want to make a pair of these?

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Mike Brady
Sugar Land, TX
Sailing off Magnolia Beach in Lavaca Bay TX
http://358degrees.blogspot.com/
P16 "Pooh Cat"
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Quarath

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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 02:06 PM

Cool, how thick are they? Just standard 2x(1.75)

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Dustin Finlinson • Magna, UT
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1986 Hobie 17
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RSabast

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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 02:24 PM

In reply (yurdle), I find ring-dings too slow and difficult to get on and off. The only task I have for a helper is to hold the safety/belay line tied to the mainsheet halyard when stepping the mast. Except for the forestay, the remainder of my stays and trap wires remain connected all the time.

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HULLFLYER

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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 04:44 PM

You can cut them from a 2X6 or 2X8. You can loosen the rudder pivot bolt and slide a thin piece of carboard in the casting and trace for a pattern. Cut and sand for a good fit.
QuarathCool, how thick are they? Just standard 2x(1.75)
yurdle

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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 06:22 PM

You might find that disconnecting a trap line (from the return shock cord) and using that to hold the mast up, instead of a halyard, more secure.

RSabastIn reply (yurdle), I find ring-dings too slow and difficult to get on and off. The only task I have for a helper is to hold the safety/belay line tied to the mainsheet halyard when stepping the mast. Except for the forestay, the remainder of my stays and trap wires remain connected all the time.

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makinmajik

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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 09:29 PM

Are they a mirror pair?

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Mike Brady
Sugar Land, TX
Sailing off Magnolia Beach in Lavaca Bay TX
http://358degrees.blogspot.com/
P16 "Pooh Cat"
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RSabast

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Posted: Aug 01, 2012 - 11:01 PM

Probably the biggest time-saver is towing the boat stern-first. This allows the side shrouds and trap lines to be permanently connected. Just slide the mast toward the tow vehicle and pin the ball in place, and your assistant with the belay line is not encumbered by the tow vehicle either. This way, there's only one connection left- the forestay. I use a weighted line off the bow to pull that forestay forward as the mast goes up - it's waiting for me when I get there to be connected.

For a while now, I have taken notes on things that could be improved while rigging and de-rigging, with an eye to where I could eliminate ring dings, needing three hands to hold the parts and tighten the shackle, retrieving pieces out of the small parts box, or tying knots.

Tip o' the hat credit goes to havlii for the stern-first idea. An out-of-the-box thinker, he's taught me 'most all I know.

Edited by RSabast on Aug 01, 2012 - 11:15 PM.

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yurdle

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Posted: Aug 02, 2012 - 12:36 AM

I like stern first as well. I can leave the spin fully rigged and just slide it in the sail tube below the boat.

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car_guy

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Posted: Aug 02, 2012 - 05:35 AM

RSabastProbably the biggest time-saver is towing the boat stern-first. This allows the side shrouds and trap lines to be permanently connected. Just slide the mast toward the tow vehicle and pin the ball in place

I must be missing something here, I tow with bows forward and I leave everything connected other then the forestay. In fact, if my sterns were forward the tow vehicle would be in the way when the mast was slid into position before raising...
MN3

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Posted: Aug 02, 2012 - 08:24 AM

Quoteif my sterns were forward the tow vehicle would be in the way when the mast was slid into position before raising...

you leave the mast in the trailer yoke as you slide it back into position and attach it to the mast ball. Once pinned, it is now sitting at an angle and you can simply walk to your rear beam, get in position and lift.

i back my car/trailer until my trailer starts to go down the beach tide line. This slants my trailer 10-15 more degrees and makes lifting (stepping) even easier.

the only (minor) issue with that is... once my mast is up. i will possibly end up with wet feet as i secure my mast forestay... i can handle that.