Just bought an 89 G-cat 5.0 and am planning to launch this weekend in Lake Michigan. All of the info posted here has been very helpful (thank you!). One question regarding the holes at the mast base and the foot - seems like they are made for a pin, but the mast needs to rotate, correct? Planning not to use a pin, but need some clarification! Thanks!
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Posted: Jun 15, 2012 - 06:48 AM
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Posted: Jun 15, 2012 - 07:17 AM
The rigging manual says to run a piece or rope through the hole in the mast step and the ball. This is how I do it with no problems. I use a 12" piece of bungie cord and tie a square knot with the knot and slack forward of the mast step. This way if the mast slides off the ball the bungie will catch on the ball and keep it from going too far.
Another tip is to have one person use the winch on the trailer to haul the mast up by one of the trap wires while one person stands on the back trampoline and keeps the mast going up strait. When the shroud wires are slightly taught, remove the bungie rope that's through the step and then lift the mast slightly and slide the teflon chip between the mast step and the ball. The hobie mast chips work fine but if you don't have one a piece of plastic bottle, practice golf ball cut in half, etc... will work instead. Get everything tight by using a portuguese turnbuckle (doubled piece of rope) between the forestay and the ring in the forward bridle.
You use the trap wire to hoist the mast instead of the forestay because it's hard to attach to the bridle when there is tension on it from the winch.
Now if there are any hobie people where you sail they'll think this is all crazy that you use a rope instead of a pin for the mast and you use rope to attach the forestay instead of the adjustable metal stay like on the shrouds but that's the way it was designed to be done on the G-Cat.
The portuguese turnbuckle on the forestay is nice because you don't ever have to tension your shroud wires, you just pull the rope really tight. The mast rake on the G-Cat should be perpendicular to the deck most of the time. If you're in really heavy winds you can rake it back a bit by loosening the forestay rope and adjusting the shrouds.
Finally the jib attaches with a turnbuckle to the metal loop in the middle of the forward spar beam, not the loop in the bridle. The bottom of the zipper on the jib should be at the loop in the forward bridle.
Next time I get my boat rigged up I'll take some pictures of all the rigging pieces and post them up here in an album. Gotta get the big gaping hole in my pontoon fixed first though.
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Posted: Jun 15, 2012 - 10:35 AM
Thanks for the response and additional info. Fortunately, mine is in excellent shape and from what I can tell, it has all the rigging intact!
I am located in West Michigan on the shore of Lake Michigan (roughly half way between Muskegon and Pentwater).
Another question regarding halyards. Mine has line, but no wire. OK to just use the line and no wire? Hoping for a shakedown sail tomorrow.
Thanks!
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Posted: Jun 15, 2012 - 12:00 PM
So the forestay is not a wire coming down from the mast? Can you post a picture? -
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Posted: Jun 15, 2012 - 12:07 PM
The forestay is a wire and will connect to the forward bridle using a portuguese turnbuckle as you have recommended. My question is on the halyard itself. From what I can tell, it's just a line ("rope"). I am more familiar with spliced wire-to-rope halyards on larger, monohulls.
Edited by nieuwenl on Jun 15, 2012 - 01:35 PM.
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Posted: Jun 15, 2012 - 01:06 PM
ohh, I guess I misread that. My jib halyard that goes through the block on the mastdog and connects to the head of the jib is wire. The wire is connected to a small rope line that is used hoist the jib and tie down on the mast cleat. The main halyard is setup the same way. I'm not sure how safe it is to use all rope line for the jib halyard. I have the both halyards off my mast right now so could take some measurements if you need. -
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Posted: Jun 15, 2012 - 01:36 PM
Thanks for the offer to measure the halyards. I'll try out what I have and evaluate if I need a wire halyard.... Will let you know how it goes!
I found a few sites that sell the spliced wire-to-rope halyards for G-Cats, so if needed, I think I can order them in the proper size. Thanks again for your help!
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Posted: Jun 15, 2012 - 02:05 PM
Another hard learned lesson I can pass on. For a righting line run 7/8 or larger line underneath the middle spar. I got 10' of the non-stretchy blue and white hobie righting line and it was a little long. Tie it with a bowline on each side around the spar and through the tramp laces between the hull and the tramp. It will look like a rope dolphin striker. You'll need to tie it beneath and get it pretty taught so it doesn't drag in the water. This is all you need to pull the boat over and hold onto to keep it from flipping the other way. I learned the hard way when I had a righting line around the mast step and had nothing to hold on to once I got it to flip over so it kept going and flipped the other way.
The G-Cat also pitchpoles very easily and violently so make sure whoever is on the trap can keep themselves from flying forward and is very aware of where the nose is at all times. If the nose digs in and the forward tramp goes in the water the pitchpole will happen so fast you'll find yourself in the water dazed and confused wondering what the hell happened. I hit the mast the first time it happened to me and broke a rib.
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Posted: Jun 17, 2012 - 02:10 PM
Learned today that you can use a pin to step the mast, the head of the mast has to be high enough that the front beam does not impede the mast rotator arm. Fortunately I have a tripod setup from my P18 that does just that. Can take pics of my mast step setup for the 5.0 if you like.
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 06:01 AM
So how did the shakedown sail go?
Post up some pictures if you can. I'm curious how your boat and sails look. Mine has the forest green and grey stripes on the side but they're very faded and scratched up. My jib is also not a match to my main. but it's close enough until I get new ones made or find some good used sails.
I think when I paint it in the spring I'll go with all white and just the black G-Cat 5.0 logo on the back side. My wife does scrapbooking and has one of those crikcut programmable cutters so I think I can make my own stickers for it.
I spent all day Saturday working on my hole. Got inside the hull sanded down using a pneumatic angle grinder with a 4" sanding pad. Fits just perfect through the inspection port and only cost me $30 for the tool, sanding pad, and replacement twist-lock pads. We did a good layup with couple layers of thick mesh on the inside against some wax paper taped over the hole on the outside. Once that setup we sanded outside and added a few mat layups on the outside. I think it's going to need another layup on the inside to get the thickness right once everything is sanded down on the outside. As ugly as it is right now I'm sure it would hold water though. -
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 08:31 AM
I wasn't able to launch this weekend. Strong storms and wrong wind direction. Unfortunately, due to high bluffs / sand dunes, to get it on the beach, I need to launch a mile north of our place - and the wind was straight out of the south. Didn't want to "practice" going upwind for a mile! Next weekend! BTW, How well does the g-cat point?
Great tip on the righting line, and the caution on pitchpoling.
I'll post some pics once I get it rigged & launched. I have a red stripe on the side, and the sails are green, yellow, orange, and red. Original, but still in pretty good shape.
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 09:00 AM
perhaps i am reading this wrong, but you use bungie to tie the mast to the ball?
If that is correct, i would advise you to never lift your mast with any person/car/bike/pet etc within 40' of your boat when you do this. The forces and possible pinching of the bungie make this a pretty risky method and i would highly suggest you upgrade to a strong line (dyneem or vectran would be best) or a bolt.
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 09:00 AM
Kraven, how did u get that hole in your boat?..........
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 09:29 AM
Prior owner was a moron. The old patch had a piece of the hull that was cut screwed to a hard piece of plastic so that there was an overlap inside the hull and then caked with resin and fiberglass mat on the inside. Of course fiberglass doesn't really stick well to plastic so it failed. Also failed because they didn't lay any mat on the outside of the hole. Was a problem just waiting to happen that I wish I had seen before buying the boat. -
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 10:43 AM
Hate to contradict an G-Cat owner on how to do this because obviously it's worked for you.
But for other G-Cat newbies maybe reading this, the instructions call for line and not bungee, makes sense since line would hold a knot better and control the movement better.
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 03:51 PM
I didnt check these facts.. but i believe them...
http://www.performancehobbies.com/tibungee.htm
Bungee Shock Cord Physical Properties
Breaking Strength, Min. Pounds (4mm shock cord) - 61
NOTE: Bungee Cord should ALWAYS be backed up by tubular nylon, webbing, or
kevlar line!
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 04:49 PM
Damon, what the diagram does not show is that when the mast is laying across the tramp, you cannot drop the mast base onto the ball, the rotator arm hits the beam, you have to have the mast at about a 30-35 degree angle before the rotator clears the beam, only then will the mast base drop onto the ball. I built a tripod using 2" PVC that I use to rest the mast head on, while the mast base butts up against the beam with the rotator arm pointing down through a cutout in the tramp sepcifically designed to accommodate the rotator. This gives me that angle, then I walk around to the mast base, lift it onto mast step ball, line up holes and pin with a phillips screwdriver, step the mast, remove pin, and attach forestay.
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Posted: Jun 19, 2012 - 05:36 AM
Thanks for the info. I didn't realize bungie was so fragile. I just had it handy because I use it to secure the shroud and trap wires to the mast during transit. I'll use line instead next time.
Sounds like you're rigging with just yourself or one other person. I usually use my wife for the stand tripod and my son works the winch while I stand on the boat and keep it going up strait. -
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Posted: Jun 19, 2012 - 09:04 AM
almost all g-cats, et al (on our beach) trailer backwards (sterns to the trunk of your car) so the mast is already in the correct position and will sit right on the ball... and give us a HUGE head start on lifting the mast -
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Posted: Jun 19, 2012 - 10:14 PM
How do they get it up that way without the winch?
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