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revintage

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Posted: Nov 14, 2021 - 10:19 AM

QuoteThere is nothing wrong or broken. Why make something up? This is a good deal and one of the best boats you can buy. Edchris know a lot about these kind of boats and has provided a lot of good information here but not sure why he decided to make that post

Hey Rungi,
You turned up in August as a novice, making almost all the newcomer mistakes one can do. How can you as unexperienced, then state "one of the best boats you can buy"?

Except for that the sails(originally with boat?) must be 20-35 years old. You will need to spends 2500 USD for up-to-date sails to begin with. Edchris is also on to something when mentioning the four ports indicating there has been some repairs done.

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Frankentri 5.8/5.5/Inter20
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P.M.

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Posted: Nov 14, 2021 - 11:20 AM

rungi
QuoteThat boat is overpriced. Really good condition, maybe- with 4 ports added, something was wrong or broken

I know you know a lot about this boat but, please don't make up something out of your ass.
There is nothing wrong or broken. Why make something up?

Really George (Rungi)?? You're kidding, right? You have the wrong rudders, the wrong 5.8 mast on a 5.7 platform, you have no clue of the age of the rigging, or if it is the right length, sails are old . . . and you've posted 147 times, many times pissing on the advise of very experienced members trying to help you. BTW you have complained more than once what is wrong with the design of your boat, and everything else that is wrong or problems with your boat . . . yet this forum is the best market you have for selling your boat! Don't poke the tiger!

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rungi

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Posted: Nov 14, 2021 - 11:26 AM

Not sure your point. The boat has been both repaired and modified.
Are you trying to suggest that old boats are broken and having something wrong with them?
I have been taking this boat out every weekend. The most difficult thing with this boat is moving it on land.
Sailing it is very easy.

Are you trolling because you don't like the price. What is the boat worth in your opinion?
Why should a new sailor not buy this kind of boat? What is the boat they should get?

Is there something wrong with the sails?
You can ask questions, and help other, but don't make up lies. Nobody needs that.
revintage

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Posted: Nov 14, 2021 - 01:01 PM

Are you surprised, when the shit hits the fan ?

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Lars

Frankentri 5.8/5.5/Inter20
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texastuma

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Posted: Nov 15, 2021 - 06:45 PM

rungiNot sure your point. The boat has been both repaired and modified.
Are you trying to suggest that old boats are broken and having something wrong with them?
I have been taking this boat out every weekend. The most difficult thing with this boat is moving it on land.
Sailing it is very easy.

Are you trolling because you don't like the price. What is the boat worth in your opinion?
Why should a new sailor not buy this kind of boat? What is the boat they should get?

Is there something wrong with the sails?
You can ask questions, and help other, but don't make up lies. Nobody needs that.

The guys on here that are willing to help don't need to make up anything of pull anything out of their ass. They brought up questions because for the age of boat, the price is a premium (like COVID premium). The sails are pretty close to original. I had 2 Nacra 5.8's that were mid-80s vintage and had the two-tone blue stripe. I had a late 80s vintage main with the orange stripes. I believe, they only made white mains after the 80s. Therefore, this main is near original age. Plus, the later mains had the traveler car for the mainsheet clew. The clew plate with the large holes were mid 80s. The late 80s had more smaller holes for the mainsheet. The mast has Nacra 5.8 on is leading us to believe it is a 5.8 mast. The Nacra 5.0 and 5.7 rudders I had, had a gentle taper from the head down to the blade. I have not seen any 5.0/5.7 rudders with the hard cut-in your boat has. Anytime a boat has an inspection port, questions come up of why the ports? My Nacra 5.0 didn't have any inspection ports, so I assume the 4 ports were added for some reason. The fact the inspection ports do not match is a buzz kill. From being in the marine industry, it shows me someone slapped them on with what they had and didn't take the time and effort to do it right. The starboard aft is black and the port side are both white. From the pic, you can see the edge of the inspection port outer ring sticking up from the curved deck. I would suggest building up an epoxy edge to make sure the hatch sits flat on the curved deck; just looks more professional.

I do think the Nacra 5.7 is a good boat to start with. Why not get beach wheels to move the boat around on land? This can be done with one person easily. I move my Tornado around singlehandly quite easily.

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rungi

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Posted: Nov 16, 2021 - 12:56 AM

Just to clarify the boat comes with beach wheels and trailer as well as good main and jib. The sails are old but nothing is wrong with them. Also has a brand new main and jib halyards and roller furling. I do not understand the purpose of trying to troll the add. The boat is awesome. Yes the mast is from a 5.8 it fits perfect. The sails fit perfect also. The rudders are not original they are from a newer model and are probably better in the fact that they go further under the boat. I have not tested them against the original. The boat handles perfectly.

I was never interested in making the boat look professional. That is not needed. My interest is sailing and having fun. This boat stays dry and the ports are water tight. The boat is fun as hell and has no problems.

Edited by rungi on Nov 16, 2021 - 03:11 AM.
revintage

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Posted: Nov 16, 2021 - 07:03 AM

Quote The sails are old but nothing is wrong with them. Also has a brand new main and jib halyards and roller furling. I do not understand the purpose of trying to troll the add. The boat is awesome. Yes the mast is from a 5.8 it fits perfect. The sails fit perfect also.

Perfect fit ? What about showing some humility/sensitivity to those with experience and knowledge? You might have payed to much for this Nacra crossbreed? You´ll then have to bite the bullet and sell the boat, showing it´s shortcomings.

Edited by revintage on Nov 16, 2021 - 07:12 AM.

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rungi

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Posted: Nov 16, 2021 - 12:53 PM

yes are u able to compare and contrast the 5.8 and 5.7 mast
I posted about this a while back.
rungi

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Posted: Nov 16, 2021 - 01:18 PM

what are the short comings?
revintage

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Posted: Nov 16, 2021 - 05:13 PM

Found this interesting ad of your boat from one year ago .
https://sailboat.guide/oer7qv

Edited by revintage on Nov 16, 2021 - 05:16 PM.

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texastuma

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Posted: May 25, 2022 - 03:50 PM

remedyHullflyer, I appreciate your response and I don't doubt you having 60 unregistered beach cats. However, your statement "If you put a motor on it then it needs a registration" is not the only requirement for a vessel needing to be registered according to the state. When you look at the flhsmv.gov website it clearly says that any non-motor-powered vessel greater than 16 feet is not exempt from registration (Item 1 in the image below). In addition, kayaks are different. If they are non-motor-powered they are exempt from registration regardless of length (Item 2 in the image below).

Texas is the same, everything over 16' needs registration. How far you want to push your limits is your choice. I know of some boats that are over 16' and have never been registered. It really depends on how picky law enforcement is. Mainly, if there is an issue of some sort is when the registration may be checked. Locally, marine law enforcement is looking at the powerboats with loud music and overcapacity.

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ragebot

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Posted: Jul 04, 2022 - 05:53 PM

As others have noted there are lots of beach cats with no title, often twenty or more years old. In Florida there are multiple ways to get a title.

The cheapest (but it does not always work) is to call up FWC and have an officer come out and look at the boat and get the HIN and do a check to see if it is stolen. In reality they are really doing the search for the local LEOs but the cops are too busy so they shove it off to the FWC. It also helps if you have good relations with the FWC. If the search turns up that the boat was registered/titled in another state you can contact that state and get a title; but if the search does not turn up anything you may need to go on to Pan B or Plan C.

A second but more expensive option is to go to the county court house and get a form to sue the DMV (who issues titles). You then take the bill of sale to the judge (really the judge's clerk) and say you bought it and the DMV then calls the FWC to do a search and if they can not prove the boat was stolen (if you did the first step you can also provide the stuff FWC gave you) the judge will tell the DMV to give you a title. It costs around $US350 to sue the DMV and then you will have to pay for the title and probably to register the boat as well.

Truth be told lots of folks in Florida use this method which is to take the bill of sale to Georgia and get a title for the boat there and then go back to Florida with the Georgia title and get a Florida title with it. Of course this means you need to have some connection in Georgia, even if it is a friend to act as a go between.

While it may seem like it is more trouble than it is worth to go through this Texas Two Step to get a title depending on the price of an untitled boat it may be worth it.YMMV
HULLFLYER

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Posted: Jul 04, 2022 - 07:25 PM

texastuma
remedyHullflyer, I appreciate your response and I don't doubt you having 60 unregistered beach cats. However, your statement "If you put a motor on it then it needs a registration" is not the only requirement for a vessel needing to be registered according to the state. When you look at the flhsmv.gov website it clearly says that any non-motor-powered vessel greater than 16 feet is not exempt from registration (Item 1 in the image below). In addition, kayaks are different. If they are non-motor-powered they are exempt from registration regardless of length (Item 2 in the image below).

Texas is the same, everything over 16' needs registration. How far you want to push your limits is your choice. I know of some boats that are over 16' and have never been registered. It really depends on how picky law enforcement is. Mainly, if there is an issue of some sort is when the registration may be checked. Locally, marine law enforcement is looking at the powerboats with loud music and overcapacity.

If you want a title and a registration that bad, go get them. I have never been stopped on the water or refused my beach permit or ever asked for a title or registration for any beach cat. I have been sailing on the South East coast of Florida since the early 1980s. I am sure the government will take your money if you force them to.
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Posted: Jul 05, 2022 - 05:12 PM

I was between Flamingo and Islamorada when Fwc took interest in my Gcat 5.7, he started asking for everything, then when he found no motor, no fishing poles and no alcohol he lost all interest. Means very little, maybe just luck, but sort of shows their priorities
texastuma

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Posted: Jul 11, 2022 - 05:02 PM

jalexI was between Flamingo and Islamorada when Fwc took interest in my Gcat 5.7, he started asking for everything, then when he found no motor, no fishing poles and no alcohol he lost all interest. Means very little, maybe just luck, but sort of shows their priorities

Low hanging fruit... When you add the three above together, they can have a field day.

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Scott

Prindle Fleet 2
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Prindle 18-2 Mod "FrankenKitty"
Tornado Classic "Fast Furniture"
Prindle 19 "Mr. Wiggly"
Nacra 5.8 "De ja vu"
Nacra 5.0
Nacra 5.8
Tornadoes (Reg White)
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