New Beach Cat sailer in need of some buying advice

Hi everyone,

I'm looking at getting into beach cat sailing and after searching for a couple of months, I need some advice... I live in Florida and the state requires any vessel over 16ft to be registered. While I understand that most folks will not register their beach cats, It's surprising to me that all the boats I've inquired about (under $4,000) the owners don't have a title. Have I set my expectation too high?

In addition, I have been looking at a nice Dart 18 with no title and no HIN#. Should I stay away if it doesn't have a HIN?

Also, I have read that the Dart 18 does not perform well with the original sail plan in light winds but if you change the jib for a Hobie 16 jib there will be a significant light wind performance improvement. Can anyone confirm this for me and advise on any draw-backs?

Thank you all in advance!
Moderators, I believe I posted this in the wrong section. My apologies. If so, please move it to the correct section for me as I don't seem to have the ability to do it on my own. I believe I should have posted this in the Getting Started section. Thanks.



Edited by remedy on Aug 17, 2021 - 11:36 AM.
Can't answer about Dart question. But regarding registration (boat and trailer) - I live in Texas who also requires registration and I would not consider buying without title and registration (either expired or current).
No you have not...I live in FL as well and would not purchase without owner having title and current registration for Trailer which serves as Trailer's Title. I have seen the Dart you are referencing on Craigslist. Seems like a nice boat but I am not a Dart Fan. It is a heavy air boat for sure. Not a lot of parts support in the US which can cause challenges on older Cats. Saw a Prindle 16 listed today in Palm Bay. Ad doesn't say whether he has title/registration but that may be a better starter boat for you. Also a Prindle 15 in Merrit Island that says it is Titled and Registered. Good Luck.



Edited by saltlife77 on Aug 17, 2021 - 12:01 PM.

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Pete
2001 NACRA 450 SOLD
2000 NACRA 500 TOTAL LOSS
2004 NACRA INTER 20
DeLand, FL
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Thanks for the advice guys! Looks like you saved me from a mistake. prost
saltlife77Saw a Prindle 16 listed today in Palm Bay. Ad doesn't say whether he has title/registration but that may be a better starter boat for you. Also a Prindle 15 in Merrit Island that says it is Titled and Registered.


Thanks! Waiting on a response from the Prindle 16.... Do you guys think either of these boats (Prindle 16 or 15) would provide enough floatation for a total of 3 people with a combined weight of about 400lbs?
I can't speak to the Prindle 15, but the 16 can handle that weight OK. If that your general use case, I would look for a Prindle 18 or Hobie 18 as they will carry the weight better. Alternatively, the Hobie Getaway is a great boat for this, though typically more expensive and used ones don't stay on the market for long!
samc99usI can't speak to the Prindle 15, but the 16 can handle that weight OK. If that your general use case, I would look for a Prindle 18 or Hobie 18 as they will carry the weight better. Alternatively, the Hobie Getaway is a great boat for this, though typically more expensive and used ones don't stay on the market for long!

Thanks Sam on the Hobie & Prindle 18 advice. I have sailed a Hobie Getaway and Wave before (Rentals) and the Getaway is what prompted me to look for a beach cat of my own but as you said, they seem to be in the higher priced and don't stay of on the market long. Any concerns with the durability of a Rotomolded boat vs. a fiberglass that I should be aware of?

Wow! You guys are super helpful! Glad I found this site/forum.
QuoteCan't answer about Dart question. But regarding registration (boat and trailer) - I live in Texas who also requires registration and I would not consider buying without title and registration (either expired or current).


I live in KY and bought a H18 from a guy and his dad in AL about 8 years ago. The boat wasn't registered and had no title. I generated a Bill of Sale, we both signed, and I bought the boat. In KY, if the boat doesn't have a motor, registration isn't required. Also, trailers in KY aren't required to be registered. So my boat doesn't have a title or registration. I doubt a 1989 Hobie Cat came with a Title Certificate - maybe it did. Why register the boat and pay taxes/fees if the state doesn't require it?

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Tim Young
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Why register the boat and pay taxes/fees if the state doesn't require it?


Hey Tim, the reason is that any vessel over 16 is now legally required to be registered in Florida.
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Why register the boat and pay taxes/fees if the state doesn't require it?


Hey Tim, the reason is that any vessel over 16 is now legally required to be registered in Florida.

We have 60 beach cats on our beach. NOT ONE HAS A REGISTRATION. If you put a motor on it then it needs a registration. I have had boats on Sarasota, Ft Lauderdale, Pompano and Delray beach never saw one with a Florida registration. Never saw a registration on any kayak either and some are over 16 feet.
I Live in FL as well...it is a requirement that some ignore. I just feel more comfortable that I am buying something legally and have bought 4 Catamarans to which all had titles and are currently registered. Now I do admit that I don't put the registration sticker on the boat and have not had any issues but I am the legally registered owner.

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Pete
2001 NACRA 450 SOLD
2000 NACRA 500 TOTAL LOSS
2004 NACRA INTER 20
DeLand, FL
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Send a PM to MN3 here. He is in Clearwater, & been sailing cats for a good long time there. I’m pretty sure he has sourced some of his cats from other jurisdictions, & knows the score.
Regarding Darts, they are good boats, simple to rig & sail. No boards, no boom, that’s a plus for a newer sailor.
They use a small jib, & a smaller sail plan than a normal 18 footer carries, making them slower than some others, (though lots faster than the Getaway or Wave you sailed).
If you live in an area with light winds, this is a negative. If you sail in 20mph, this is a positive.
My Dart does not have an HIN. They’re English, they do things different there. Most have the hull #s written on the inside using indelible marker. You can see it through the rear access hatch.
Most 16’ Cats are going to suffer if you put 400lbs on them.
As Sam said, an 18’ would be better. We have a Nacra 5.0 & an N5.7 meter (16.5’ & 19’ respectively). The 5.0 sails well with two adults, (almost 400lb), but the larger 5.7 is the ideal boat for that weight.
You stated 3 people. A boat with boards & boom, (H18), gets crowded with 3 people. The uncluttered tramp of a boardless/boom less boat is a big plus with new sailors..
Don’t get hung up on a certain boat, buy the one in best condition, it will save you a lot grief & $$.
That Dart would be a very good starting Cat, especially if you have to rig it each time. It is a simple rig, & the rudders just pop off. In fact the entire boat can be torn down, or put together with no tools.
If an HIN is required, just make one up, using one of the hull #s, & written on a proper bill of sale.



Edited by Edchris177 on Aug 17, 2021 - 04:04 PM.

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Mystere 6.0XL Sold Was a handful solo
Nacra 5.7
Nacra 5.0
Bombardier Invitation (Now officially DEAD)
Various other Dock cluttering WaterCrap
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Hullflyer, I appreciate your response and I don't doubt you having 60 unregistered beach cats. However, your statement "If you put a motor on it then it needs a registration" is not the only requirement for a vessel needing to be registered according to the state. When you look at the flhsmv.gov website it clearly says that any non-motor-powered vessel greater than 16 feet is not exempt from registration (Item 1 in the image below). In addition, kayaks are different. If they are non-motor-powered they are exempt from registration regardless of length (Item 2 in the image below).
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Edchris177, thanks for the response! I'll reach out to MN3.
Great information. The thing is, hardly anyone complies including myself. Makes me wonder however about all these cats like the Nacra 5.0, the Nacra 500 and the G-Cat 5.0 which most people call 16's but are really closer to 16 1/2. At the Sarasota Sailing Squadron none of the cats are registered and plenty are over 16 ft. It's never been enforced to my knowledge.

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Bill Townsend
G-Cat 5.7
Sarasota
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remedyModerators, I believe I posted this in the wrong section. My apologies. If so, please move it to the correct section for me as I don't seem to have the ability to do it on my own. I believe I should have posted this in the Getting Started section. Thanks.


I've moved the thread, welcome to TheBeachcats.com!

Great to see you are planning to buy a beachcat. Some good feedback so far.

The issue with beachcat registration in Florida and other states is a little tricky. You posted the actual law, but like others stated, when it comes to beach launched cats a lot of people ignore it. That's up to you, I do know plenty of sailors in Florida who have titled and registered boats but it's mostly newer ones where financing and/or insurance was involved so the bank or insurance company needed it.

Comes down to your decision and situation. It will definitely make it harder to find a 16-18 foot beachcat under $4,000 if you are only willing to buy with a title and current registration.

Now in other areas of the country like New England and California, pretty much all of the boats will have documentation because of the local enforcement. Just depends where you are.

Good luck and continue to ask good questions and check the classifieds here and you will find a boat, might have to travel a bit to get the ideal one, but road trips are fun too!

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Thanks Bill & Damon!

I’m keeping my options open and based on previos advise. While the Dart 18 is still not off the table, I’m also refining my search to a P18, 18-2, or a H18. I will be trailering and setting up each time so if any one has any further advice on these 3 boats that might help me like ease of setup, parts availability, and any other considerations. I’m all ears and grateful for your advice.
No opinion about the Dart but I am very knowledgeable about the state of FL title and registration requirements having bought and sold dozens of boats in my 40+ years living in FL.

First, there is no requirements to register or title a sailboat of any size if it is used on a private body of water or permanently docked. Experienced boaters also know it is extremely unlikely for a sailboat to get stopped for a registration check in FL. Authorities are much more concerned with drunken boaters, jerks on jetskis, and especially drunken jerks on jetskis. Also, it is a maximum 50 dollar fine for first offense operating an undocumented vessel in public FL waters.

This is why it is so common to see untitled/unregistered sailboats in FL. Just an FYI...

Brad in Jax
Stiletto 27 for sale soon.



Edited by bradinjax on Aug 18, 2021 - 08:46 AM.
Thanks Brad. I appreciate your input!
remedyThanks Bill & Damon!

I’m keeping my options open and based on previos advise. While the Dart 18 is still not off the table, I’m also refining my search to a P18, 18-2, or a H18. I will be trailering and setting up each time so if any one has any further advice on these 3 boats that might help me like ease of setup, parts availability, and any other considerations. I’m all ears and grateful for your advice.


All of those boats are a more complex setup than the Dart. The H18 is by far the easiest to find parts for and with wings has lots of space for 3 or 4 people. 2 experienced people can set up a H18 trailer to water in 30 mins or so.
Agree with previous poster ->> H18
ok - here is my 2 cents

pretty much everyone is right

the law changed about a decade ago, previous to that IN FLORIDA, non powered sailboats 16' - 20' weren't required TO BE REGISTERED - (BUT STILL REQUIRED title)
and sailors said - "why pay taxes on a title, if i don't even need reg #'s??? - and NO ONE PAYED
so when people sell these legacy boats they have no paper work

law changed and now 16" and up (with exceptions of canoes, kayaks, and racing shells, and RACE ONLY boats) are exempt

BUT SO FAR NO ONE HAS EVER GOTTEN PULLED OVER OR TICKETED as far as i have ever heard

IF you are concerned about the POSSIBILITY of a ticket, you may want to avoid a boat without papers
this will make it MUCH MUCH harder in fl to find a beach cat - but i am sure there are some. i have friends who have the papers (still down't pay to register it)

I DONT have titles on either boat, but i was somehow able to ACTUALLY register both my cats (with bill of sale, and i payed the FULL sales taxes) because i am that kinda guy. It took me a decade to finally get a teller in the DMV to do it, she said she could i said OK, her supervisor said NO, but the teller somehow proved to the supervisor it was ok)
I didn't apply numbers to my hulls and i let it expire but I wanted to make sure i could, in case i EVER was told i have to... and i thought it would make selling easier.
MN3,
Thank you so much for all the information. That really puts things in perspective for me. I'm also looking at this from a resale value standpoint but if so many beach cats don't have titles, then I guess it's mostly a level playing field.
Keep in mind that your market for resale is more than Florida, but most likely to be drawn from there. Here in Texas, a boat is pretty much worthless without a title for resale. Trailers are easy to get titled (different process). Having said that, I know of many beachcats that aren't titled around here being sailed. Yeah, you have to wait for one with a title but if it's a popular model you're after you'll likely find one with patience (say 2-3 months).

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charlescarlisKeep in mind that your market for resale is more than Florida, but most likely to be drawn from there. Here in Texas, a boat is pretty much worthless without a title for resale. Trailers are easy to get titled (different process). Having said that, I know of many beachcats that aren't titled around here being sailed. Yeah, you have to wait for one with a title but if it's a popular model you're after you'll likely find one with patience (say 2-3 months).


Thanks Chuck!

If any of you guys hear or know of anyone selling any of the following beachcats with a title, please point me to them.
-Nacra 5.7
-Prindle 18-2
-Hobie 18
-Prindle 18

Also, I'm all ears if any of you think that any of these boats might not fit my typical use case of trailering and setup each time with 3 total people onboard. I'm also open to other boat suggestions that might meet my needs without going too big. I want to be able to right a capsized boat on my own if I'm solo (I'm 5'8" and about 170lbs). I also forgot to mention that my sailing experience involves sailing a 43ft. monohull that we owned (lost during hurricane Irma) and a few times having rented Hobie Waves and Getaways. I hold a USCG OUPV license and have been around boats for over 40 years. Thanks again guys!
Classified ads on this site and facebook -> Beachcat Marketplace - North America
remedy:

In Mississippi, a 16-18 foot beachcat is supposed to be registered with the Dept. of Wildlife, Fisheries and Parks (not a DMV thing). All that's needed is a bill of sale, and it's pretty straightforward (but a lot of people don't do it). Titling is optional....I assume owners of expensive powerboats with big motors might do that in case of theft.

Only a bill of sale is required to register (get a license tag for) a small trailer as well. I don't know what if any provisions there are for titling trailers.

I write all this because I know of two Prindle 18-2s for sale here. Don't have any details on condition, pricing, or legal paperwork, but PM me if that interests you, and I'll reply with names/numbers/locations.

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Hobie 16
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Of the 4 boats in consideration you would be very pleased with the NACRA 5.7. Boom Less and Board Less. Super easy set up and can carry 3-4 people when needed. There is a pretty nice one for sale on this site if you don't mind driving to RI. I drove from FL to TX to pick up my last Cat. Just Sayin....

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2001 NACRA 450 SOLD
2000 NACRA 500 TOTAL LOSS
2004 NACRA INTER 20
DeLand, FL
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Thanks Jerome! PM sent.

Pete, thanks for info on the Nacra 5.7. The one in RI is "pick up only" and further than I care/can travel right now. Otherwise, I would jump on it. For the reasons you mentioned, the Nacra does seem like a great option for me.
I took a look at a H20 last night. It was at the top end of my budget and it had cracks on the edges of both rudders and dagger boards so I walked. Any thoughts on an H20 as a boat to start on for a newcomer to beachcats like myself? Looking at the numbers it seems like the H20 has very powerful sail plan. Too powerful maybe?
another option is get a big boat and get a set of high wind sails and use them to learn

i have a 6.0 and 5.5 and swap between f18 sails, 6.0 and tornado sails, 5.5 and 6.0 jibs depending on the wind and my desire to work out (solo sheeting all day)

I don't even have trap wires at this time - i have wings so i don't need them but i sure miss the back stretch i get after 30 min on the wire. I think i will run a dynema line to trap off a wing in the fall when the weather gets better



Edited by MN3 on Aug 25, 2021 - 03:32 PM.
Quote want to be able to right a capsized boat on my own if I'm solo (I'm 5'8" and about 170lbs). I also forgot to mention that my sailing experience involves sailing a 43ft. monohull that we owned (lost during hurricane Irma) and a few times having rented Hobie Waves and Getaways. I hold a USCG OUPV license

a righting bag + an anchor + the right technique and you can right a 20' cat

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MN3another option is get a big boat and get a set of high wind sails and use them to learn

i have a 6.0 and 5.5 and swap between f18 sails, 6.0 and tornado sails, 5.5 and 6.0 jibs depending on the wind and my desire to work out (solo sheeting all day)


Thanks. That sounds like a great option.
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remedyHi everyone,

I'm looking at getting into beach cat sailing and after searching for a couple of months, I need some advice... I live in Florida and the state requires any vessel over 16ft to be registered. While I understand that most folks will not register their beach cats, It's surprising to me that all the boats I've inquired about (under $4,000) the owners don't have a title. Have I set my expectation too high?

In addition, I have been looking at a nice Dart 18 with no title and no HIN#. Should I stay away if it doesn't have a HIN?

Also, I have read that the Dart 18 does not perform well with the original sail plan in light winds but if you change the jib for a Hobie 16 jib there will be a significant light wind performance improvement. Can anyone confirm this for me and advise on any draw-backs?

Thank you all in advance!


I would recommend the P16 or P18. Their freeboard and hull design will be more comfortable with chop when the wind picks up. I have heard the dart is underpowered, but that may work out when the wind picks up. You will be able to find spare parts for the Prindle easier than the Dart. Grabbing a boat with a title makes life much easier. But, bradinjax is correct, it really depends on where you are sailing also.

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Prindle 18-2 Mod "FrankenKitty"
Tornado Classic "Fast Furniture"
Prindle 19 "Mr. Wiggly" - gone
Nacra 5.8 "De ja vu"
Nacra 5.0
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Tornadoes (Reg White)
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We have a member that is selling a Nacra 5.7 with jib roller furling and, including beach wheels and trailer in Pensacola FL. I have owned mine since 1986. This boat is nearly bombproof as a beachcat. Easy to sail, plenty of size for the family and very fast and stable. You couldn't find a better start. https://www.thebeachcats.com/classifieds/catamarans-for-sale/p17395-1984-nacra-5-7.html

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NACRA 5.7 (1984 Sail 181)
Pennsylvania
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I had a parks and game guy come out to my boat to verify the vin when I got my first boat 6 years ago in FL because it had previously been titled. He pulled out the lawbook and looked at the contradictory laws. One says anything over 16 feet has to be registered, the other that only motorized vessels have to be registered.

He said if it doesn't have a motor then we don't touch it. One guys opinion. I transferred the title to my name but no one I know ever registers these things. Only place I've heard beach cats being hassled about registration was down near miami.

Basically nothing you find will have a title. Don't worry about the trailer either if it doesn't have the registration with it. Just walk in and say you have a homebuilt trailer that weighs 400lbs and they will give you a new registration. Or you can say it's an old trailer and the registration was lost and they will reregister it as a home built anyway. Your choice. They don't really care, they just want their yearly tax money.

Cool thing is sometimes they click the wrong button or type something wrong, and in my case on the state website when I went to reregister my homebuilt trailer it says that I was registering my homebuilt TANK, lol
Quotehttps://www.thebeachcats.com/classifieds/catamarans-for-sale/p17395-1984-nacra-5-7.html

That boat is overpriced. Really good condition, maybe- with 4 ports added, something was wrong or broken.
QuoteCool thing is sometimes they click the wrong button or type something wrong, and in my case on the state website when I went to reregister my homebuilt trailer it says that I was registering my homebuilt TANK, lol

No question on armament?

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Dart 15
Mystere 6.0XL Sold Was a handful solo
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Bombardier Invitation (Now officially DEAD)
Various other Dock cluttering WaterCrap
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QuoteThat boat is overpriced. Really good condition, maybe- with 4 ports added, something was wrong or broken


I know you know a lot about this boat but, please don't make up something out of your ass.
There is nothing wrong or broken. Why make something up? This is a good deal and one of the best boats you can buy. Edchris know a lot about these kind of boats and has provided a lot of good information here but not sure why he decided to make that post.

The boat is in good condition and there is nothing wrong with it. A forth port is not needed the compass could be removed if you need to access the hull. It would be foolish to add another port for no reason.

https://drive.google.com/…9b5SAZJ/view?usp=sharing

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Edited by rungi on Nov 13, 2021 - 05:43 PM.
QuoteThere is nothing wrong or broken. Why make something up? This is a good deal and one of the best boats you can buy. Edchris know a lot about these kind of boats and has provided a lot of good information here but not sure why he decided to make that post


Hey Rungi,
You turned up in August as a novice, making almost all the newcomer mistakes one can do. How can you as unexperienced, then state "one of the best boats you can buy"?

Except for that the sails(originally with boat?) must be 20-35 years old. You will need to spends 2500 USD for up-to-date sails to begin with. Edchris is also on to something when mentioning the four ports indicating there has been some repairs done.

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QuoteThat boat is overpriced. Really good condition, maybe- with 4 ports added, something was wrong or broken


I know you know a lot about this boat but, please don't make up something out of your ass.
There is nothing wrong or broken. Why make something up?


Really George (Rungi)?? You're kidding, right? You have the wrong rudders, the wrong 5.8 mast on a 5.7 platform, you have no clue of the age of the rigging, or if it is the right length, sails are old . . . and you've posted 147 times, many times pissing on the advise of very experienced members trying to help you. BTW you have complained more than once what is wrong with the design of your boat, and everything else that is wrong or problems with your boat . . . yet this forum is the best market you have for selling your boat! Don't poke the tiger!

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Not sure your point. The boat has been both repaired and modified.
Are you trying to suggest that old boats are broken and having something wrong with them?
I have been taking this boat out every weekend. The most difficult thing with this boat is moving it on land.
Sailing it is very easy.

Are you trolling because you don't like the price. What is the boat worth in your opinion?
Why should a new sailor not buy this kind of boat? What is the boat they should get?

Is there something wrong with the sails?
You can ask questions, and help other, but don't make up lies. Nobody needs that.
Are you surprised, when the shit hits the fan icon_wink ?

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Lars

Present multihulls:
Frankencat 5.8/F20
Frankentri 5.5/Tornado/F18
Aerow trimaran foiler

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rungiNot sure your point. The boat has been both repaired and modified.
Are you trying to suggest that old boats are broken and having something wrong with them?
I have been taking this boat out every weekend. The most difficult thing with this boat is moving it on land.
Sailing it is very easy.

Are you trolling because you don't like the price. What is the boat worth in your opinion?
Why should a new sailor not buy this kind of boat? What is the boat they should get?

Is there something wrong with the sails?
You can ask questions, and help other, but don't make up lies. Nobody needs that.



The guys on here that are willing to help don't need to make up anything of pull anything out of their ass. They brought up questions because for the age of boat, the price is a premium (like COVID premium). The sails are pretty close to original. I had 2 Nacra 5.8's that were mid-80s vintage and had the two-tone blue stripe. I had a late 80s vintage main with the orange stripes. I believe, they only made white mains after the 80s. Therefore, this main is near original age. Plus, the later mains had the traveler car for the mainsheet clew. The clew plate with the large holes were mid 80s. The late 80s had more smaller holes for the mainsheet. The mast has Nacra 5.8 on is leading us to believe it is a 5.8 mast. The Nacra 5.0 and 5.7 rudders I had, had a gentle taper from the head down to the blade. I have not seen any 5.0/5.7 rudders with the hard cut-in your boat has. Anytime a boat has an inspection port, questions come up of why the ports? My Nacra 5.0 didn't have any inspection ports, so I assume the 4 ports were added for some reason. The fact the inspection ports do not match is a buzz kill. From being in the marine industry, it shows me someone slapped them on with what they had and didn't take the time and effort to do it right. The starboard aft is black and the port side are both white. From the pic, you can see the edge of the inspection port outer ring sticking up from the curved deck. I would suggest building up an epoxy edge to make sure the hatch sits flat on the curved deck; just looks more professional.

I do think the Nacra 5.7 is a good boat to start with. Why not get beach wheels to move the boat around on land? This can be done with one person easily. I move my Tornado around singlehandly quite easily.

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Prindle 18-2 Mod "FrankenKitty"
Tornado Classic "Fast Furniture"
Prindle 19 "Mr. Wiggly" - gone
Nacra 5.8 "De ja vu"
Nacra 5.0
Nacra 5.8
Tornadoes (Reg White)
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Just to clarify the boat comes with beach wheels and trailer as well as good main and jib. The sails are old but nothing is wrong with them. Also has a brand new main and jib halyards and roller furling. I do not understand the purpose of trying to troll the add. The boat is awesome. Yes the mast is from a 5.8 it fits perfect. The sails fit perfect also. The rudders are not original they are from a newer model and are probably better in the fact that they go further under the boat. I have not tested them against the original. The boat handles perfectly.

I was never interested in making the boat look professional. That is not needed. My interest is sailing and having fun. This boat stays dry and the ports are water tight. The boat is fun as hell and has no problems.



Edited by rungi on Nov 16, 2021 - 03:11 AM.
Quote The sails are old but nothing is wrong with them. Also has a brand new main and jib halyards and roller furling. I do not understand the purpose of trying to troll the add. The boat is awesome. Yes the mast is from a 5.8 it fits perfect. The sails fit perfect also.


Perfect fit icon_rolleyes ? What about showing some humility/sensitivity to those with experience and knowledge? You might have payed to much for this Nacra crossbreed? You´ll then have to bite the bullet and sell the boat, showing it´s shortcomings.



Edited by revintage on Nov 16, 2021 - 07:12 AM.

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yes are u able to compare and contrast the 5.8 and 5.7 mast
I posted about this a while back.
what are the short comings?
Found this interesting ad of your boat from one year ago icon_wink .
https://sailboat.guide/oer7qv



Edited by revintage on Nov 16, 2021 - 05:16 PM.

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remedyHullflyer, I appreciate your response and I don't doubt you having 60 unregistered beach cats. However, your statement "If you put a motor on it then it needs a registration" is not the only requirement for a vessel needing to be registered according to the state. When you look at the flhsmv.gov website it clearly says that any non-motor-powered vessel greater than 16 feet is not exempt from registration (Item 1 in the image below). In addition, kayaks are different. If they are non-motor-powered they are exempt from registration regardless of length (Item 2 in the image below).
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jq7OXquz3SD_64w8Xn_64JIq2eXYlCz8bCJClW5hovv63odnhW9CsanK34T99fLiPiqIxNJe-UzJr82bcpPOopGsTGVJCdNc7rQxIWVmW4rRcw2OAri4NkUU5g-832N51oUzp92jc0=w2400


Texas is the same, everything over 16' needs registration. How far you want to push your limits is your choice. I know of some boats that are over 16' and have never been registered. It really depends on how picky law enforcement is. Mainly, if there is an issue of some sort is when the registration may be checked. Locally, marine law enforcement is looking at the powerboats with loud music and overcapacity.

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Scott

Prindle 18-2 Mod "FrankenKitty"
Tornado Classic "Fast Furniture"
Prindle 19 "Mr. Wiggly" - gone
Nacra 5.8 "De ja vu"
Nacra 5.0
Nacra 5.8
Tornadoes (Reg White)
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As others have noted there are lots of beach cats with no title, often twenty or more years old. In Florida there are multiple ways to get a title.

The cheapest (but it does not always work) is to call up FWC and have an officer come out and look at the boat and get the HIN and do a check to see if it is stolen. In reality they are really doing the search for the local LEOs but the cops are too busy so they shove it off to the FWC. It also helps if you have good relations with the FWC. If the search turns up that the boat was registered/titled in another state you can contact that state and get a title; but if the search does not turn up anything you may need to go on to Pan B or Plan C.

A second but more expensive option is to go to the county court house and get a form to sue the DMV (who issues titles). You then take the bill of sale to the judge (really the judge's clerk) and say you bought it and the DMV then calls the FWC to do a search and if they can not prove the boat was stolen (if you did the first step you can also provide the stuff FWC gave you) the judge will tell the DMV to give you a title. It costs around $US350 to sue the DMV and then you will have to pay for the title and probably to register the boat as well.

Truth be told lots of folks in Florida use this method which is to take the bill of sale to Georgia and get a title for the boat there and then go back to Florida with the Georgia title and get a Florida title with it. Of course this means you need to have some connection in Georgia, even if it is a friend to act as a go between.

While it may seem like it is more trouble than it is worth to go through this Texas Two Step to get a title depending on the price of an untitled boat it may be worth it.YMMV
texastuma
remedyHullflyer, I appreciate your response and I don't doubt you having 60 unregistered beach cats. However, your statement "If you put a motor on it then it needs a registration" is not the only requirement for a vessel needing to be registered according to the state. When you look at the flhsmv.gov website it clearly says that any non-motor-powered vessel greater than 16 feet is not exempt from registration (Item 1 in the image below). In addition, kayaks are different. If they are non-motor-powered they are exempt from registration regardless of length (Item 2 in the image below).
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jq7OXquz3SD_64w8Xn_64JIq2eXYlCz8bCJClW5hovv63odnhW9CsanK34T99fLiPiqIxNJe-UzJr82bcpPOopGsTGVJCdNc7rQxIWVmW4rRcw2OAri4NkUU5g-832N51oUzp92jc0=w2400


Texas is the same, everything over 16' needs registration. How far you want to push your limits is your choice. I know of some boats that are over 16' and have never been registered. It really depends on how picky law enforcement is. Mainly, if there is an issue of some sort is when the registration may be checked. Locally, marine law enforcement is looking at the powerboats with loud music and overcapacity.

If you want a title and a registration that bad, go get them. I have never been stopped on the water or refused my beach permit or ever asked for a title or registration for any beach cat. I have been sailing on the South East coast of Florida since the early 1980s. I am sure the government will take your money if you force them to.
I was between Flamingo and Islamorada when Fwc took interest in my Gcat 5.7, he started asking for everything, then when he found no motor, no fishing poles and no alcohol he lost all interest. Means very little, maybe just luck, but sort of shows their priorities
jalexI was between Flamingo and Islamorada when Fwc took interest in my Gcat 5.7, he started asking for everything, then when he found no motor, no fishing poles and no alcohol he lost all interest. Means very little, maybe just luck, but sort of shows their priorities


Low hanging fruit... When you add the three above together, they can have a field day.

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Scott

Prindle 18-2 Mod "FrankenKitty"
Tornado Classic "Fast Furniture"
Prindle 19 "Mr. Wiggly" - gone
Nacra 5.8 "De ja vu"
Nacra 5.0
Nacra 5.8
Tornadoes (Reg White)
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