• dryaxe
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 23, 2017 - 04:59 PM

  Hi folks,
  
  i am just happy new owner of french catamaran 2win Twincat 15. I got it really cheap but it has some signs of use since it was used for renting as instructional cat. Good thing is that it is quiet new design (i think 2008) and it is still possible to get all the spare parts for it on the web.
  
  So as i mentioned, cat is not in the perfect shape, but with little love it could be totaly restored. What i wonder is about the mast, i noticed it is slightly bent above the wires, it also has 1" diameter dent there and one minor at the mast foot. We did test run before buying and everything went just fine but i wonder if that damage to the mast can present any risk.
  
  Thank you for advices.
  
  
  
  
  
  Edited by dryaxe on Aug 24, 2017 - 12:10 AM.

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• tnell
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 23, 2017 - 05:53 PM

  The dent by itself is not a big deal in my opinion. And in the bend is gradual, that's ok too. But if it's a sharp bent at the dent I would be more concerned. If you can put some pictures up some of the more experienced guys can chime in.
  
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• DamonLinkous
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 23, 2017 - 06:04 PM

  dryaxe

  Hi folks,
  
  i am just happy new owner of french catamaran 2win Twincat 15. I got it really cheap but it has some signs of use since it was used for renting as instructional cat. Good thing is that it is quiet new design (i think 2008) and it is still possible to get all the spare parts for it on the web.
  

  
  
  dryaxe,
  
  Welcome to TheBeachcats.com! Cool boat, hadn't heard of the Twincat line before. Appears to be still in production though.
  http://2-win.fr/en/442-twincat-15
  
  Are you in France? How much beachcat sailing experience do you have?
  
  I doubt if the dents are a concern if they don't show any cracking, especially if you aren't running a spinnaker.
  
  Have fun and tell us how it sails!
  
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• dryaxe
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 23, 2017 - 06:58 PM

  Hehe, my experience is probably 10 min as jib operator.
  
  I have previous experience with windsurfing but i decided to switch due to many benefits that cats bring. Just some of the reasons:
  - there is way too much fuss with windsurfing, i have 5 sails and somehow i always find myself on the water with wrong one.
  - with so much equipement checklist is very long and its easy to forget something, putting everything to car roof racks takes too long
  - I have young family and with cat we might go and do some sailing in light winds.
  - and many more...
  
  So those 10 mins was enough to kill any doubts that cat sailing can be just as much if not even more fun than windsurfing.
  
  So yes i understand all that wind and physics very well, i ll just have to get used to different controls and sailing characteristics.
  
  Yes the boat looks really nice considering the price of 1650$ (10500$ when new), there was also Hobie cat 16 as an option for the same price but age, design and spare parts availability were way better with Twincat 15.
  You calmed me a little bit since the mast curve does not look to be really sharp, it is still in the area where cables are attached. I have not spotted any cracks there or stratch marks.
  
  At the moment i am in search of good trailer since it can not sail over grass.
  
  
  
  Edited by dryaxe on Aug 24, 2017 - 02:01 AM.

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• yelkenli1
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 23, 2017 - 09:16 PM

  It looks like a good buy. You should consider replacing your standing rigging.
  
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• ctcataman
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 23, 2017 - 10:22 PM

  Welcome aboard.
  
  We straightened a mast this year with a 3 inch gradual bow.
  
  Looks like a fun cat. Get proficient before taking the family out. Don't ask how I know.
  
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• dryaxe
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 24, 2017 - 05:16 AM

  I will probably replace rigging sooner or later. The mainsail is getting to the end of its life and will need a replacement, at least thats what the seller said. When this happens i will probably upgrade my standard 12m2 rig to sport version which is 15m2 with about 2" taller mast. I calculated upgrade for new rig should cost another 1650$ (new mast, new mainsail, new jib). Till then this standard rig is better for learning.
  
  Question: Is there any problem if i use existing standard jib on taller sport rig. Standard jib = 2.4m2, sport jib = 3.1m2. Since its only one season old it could be pointless to replace unless there are some compatibility concerns. This would save me another 260$.

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• MN3
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 24, 2017 - 07:56 AM

  you can probably run a standard jib on a sport rig, but there may be slight changes in the handling of your cat (i.e. a little weather helm or lea-helm) since you have changed the amount of sail area up front
  if the boat has been used in salt water, or used hard and put up wet - changing your standing rigging should be a priority - It should be changed every 2 or 3 years in those conditions
  
  if you don't - you increase the risk of rigging failure (mast drop) - hopefully no one (person, boat,car) is near when your mast falls - for a few 100$ you could save a lot of trouble.

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• dryaxe
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 24, 2017 - 01:18 PM

  Standing rigging = wires?

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• MN3
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 24, 2017 - 01:58 PM

  dryaxe

  Standing rigging = wires?

  
  the system of ropes, cables, or chains employed to support a ship's masts.
  
  
  pretty much all the static wires (could be lines) that aren't adjusted (forestay, sidestays/shrouds, bridal wires, diamond wires, etc)
  
  Running rigging = any lines (or wires) that are sheeted or adjustable (main, jib, halyards, etc)
  
  
  
  Edited by MN3 on Aug 24, 2017 - 01:59 PM.

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