I was out in strong winds with heavy seas yesterday and the
main halyard on my P16 was whipping all over the place. I
think because it is a cable, it is heavy enough to pull slack from the tramp pocket and then the cable whips around.
Any ideas on securing the halyard?
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Posted: Aug 08, 2010 - 11:41 AM
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Posted: Aug 08, 2010 - 12:54 PM
normally the halyard goes down the luff in the zipper. then you take the sisterclips off and put the rest in the tramp bag.
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Posted: Aug 08, 2010 - 12:59 PM
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Posted: Aug 08, 2010 - 01:13 PM
i run my halyard through a jamb cleat at the base of the mast and pull the slack tight after the bullet is set, then put excess line in tramp bag. does yours have a cleat on the mast?
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Posted: Aug 08, 2010 - 01:46 PM
< stupid. But what coastrat says is fine actually, otherwise you could also tie it off on the boom.
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Posted: Aug 08, 2010 - 03:47 PM
Yes there is a small cleat on the left side of the mast. Gonna use that next time out.
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Posted: Aug 08, 2010 - 05:11 PM
Or you could tie cheetos on the main halyard and fish for seagulls.
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Posted: Aug 08, 2010 - 10:22 PM
If your main halyard is made of wire ,you can't put it into a cam cleat or any type cleat on the mast because it is not flexible enough to cleat with out damaging the wire . Make a small loop in wire & Put a swedge on the end. Tie a piece of line to the loope & cleat the line . Bill -
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Posted: Aug 08, 2010 - 11:38 PM
I tie a small mesh bag to the tramp\mast it has a drawstring to keep the lines from sliding back out unlike the tramp pockets. If you have cable and not line, get a bag big enough for the coils to fit in without kinks.I found some in the laundry section at walmart. not very pretty but cheap and easy
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Posted: Aug 09, 2010 - 03:18 PM
your factory halyard should be a stainless cable with 2 bullets for securing when raised and for reefing, this is attached to a line(rope) that you use to raise the sail with. my mast has a cleat on either side of the mast base, one is a jamb cleat the other is a tradional cleat, either would do. my tramp has the 2 pockets for storing halyards and righting line.
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Posted: Aug 09, 2010 - 08:25 PM
Hey Coastrat
how about some pics, I am rebuilding an 18-2 and would love to be able to reef the main but being a hobie sailor, I didn't see any reef points in the sail so I was not sure it was possible
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Posted: Aug 09, 2010 - 08:41 PM
My halyard is a combination cable and rope. When the sail is raised there should be just enough line to cleat. I think the cable is still going to move around and clank off the mast in heavy air though. It didn't bother me at all. I was having too much fun. I need to keep my crew happy.
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Posted: Aug 09, 2010 - 11:17 PM
oohhh...pds624...can't help with the p-18-2, only helpful to p-16 sailors right now. here is a shot of my p-16, note reefing points by tel tale. there is 2 bullets on wire part of halyard that catch on upper mast. i shoot some sillicone lube spray in the mast groove every now and then and the sail glides up and down like a dream.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2010 - 06:48 AM
@ PDS624,
it's not possible to reef a p 18-2 mainsail, if you want to depower just yank the downhaul and mainsheet as tight as you can and let the traveller go out a bit.
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Posted: Aug 11, 2010 - 12:44 PM
Sure it is possible.. but requires some modifications. you can add 2 grommets (leach/luff) and you would need a way to secure the halyard lower. You could either add another ring on a pigtail (would require a guy line or tipping of the cat to release) or you could go to a spin lock on the mast and run the halyard through it. you would use the ring when full sailed, and the spin lock to lower/reef it -
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Posted: Aug 11, 2010 - 05:50 PM
Ok, I am relatively new to catsailing , sailed my P 18-2 (my first cat) for six weeks only. But I can say I am an experienced sailor. Took her out solo this afternoon at predicted windspeed of 11 knts. 3 miles out it started gusting 17-20 knts. I don't see how you can reef any cat in these circumstance . it's just to complicated. Instead I yanked the downhaul and the mainsheet to accomplish a flat sail and rode the gusts with the traveller-sheet. Being a newcomer in catsailing I was a little awkward to go out on the wire but able to ride it out on the hiking-straps. 16.1 knots max speed was telling my gps afterwards .
I believe the P18-2 was designed with no reefs for a reason, any attempt to change that would turn her original and lateral sailplan into a mess.
So, yes we can build a reef on a P 18-2, but it wil result
in a lot of extra lines and hassle and certainly no clean trampoline !! Any lines outside her wing-mast could disturb airflow.
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Posted: Aug 12, 2010 - 06:49 PM
I sailed P-16s for years prior to getting the NACRA 5-2 I have now. There is a trick to this that I believe is shown in the owners manual. You take a piece of shock cord with a plasic hook in the middle and tie it off at both ends of the dophin striker where it connects to the forward crossmember. Then when you are done raising the main sail, you connect the plasitc hook to the end of the halyard cable and remove the halyard line and stow it. This secures the main halyard cable to keep it from flying around and the "A" shaped shock cord keeps the jib sheet from fouling in the mast base when you tack. Like I said, I'm pretty sure this is all in the owners manual. -
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Posted: Aug 12, 2010 - 07:07 PM
my manual decsribes the jib preventer, but does not mention hooking the halyard cable to it. I envision the jib clew
blocks snagging in the halyard cable.
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Posted: Aug 13, 2010 - 08:07 AM
On my Nacra 5.2 the shock-cord deflects the jib blocks and prevents them from getting stuck at every tack. Wouldn't want to sail without it.
I don't tie the shock-cord to the halyard end though. I have a jam cleat on the front of the mast for that and run the shock cord through a pad-eye that I installed just for that.
Tying it to the halyard end sounds much cleaner though, the less hardware the better!
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