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  • Over the winter I bought a rudder stiffening kit for my hobie 16. I replaced the rudder cams, replaced the rudder pins and installed bushings in the castings to decrease the amount of "play".

    Problem:
    Rudders are almost impossible to kickup and now after just 3-4 times kicking them up there is severe wear as seen below.
    http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q150/mma600psi/Rudder_casting.jpg

    I know I need to ajust the Delrin screw (actually replace), but will this take care of the wear? I tried moving the rudders slowley into the up postion and metal shavings started coming off. This would mean that the problem is independent of the delrin screw issue icon_mad icon_mad icon_mad
  • I found this article a while ago while rebuilding my rudders and boat. maybe it will help.

    i do have a couplde of questions though. after adding the kit, did the rudders still pivot freely? if not, the boltsa may be to tight which would throw off everything else.

    if you look in the tech tips area, i posted a bunch of pics and found a great artilce that will walk you through a full rebuild of the casting. If you have a harbor freight near by, i highly recommend the mini-torch to burn out what you can't drill out. the threads have to be PERFECT and TRUE or the new delrin screws will strip out before you can get them in


    Restoring Worn Rudder Castings
    By Kim Miller


    If your rudder castings are worn to the point where they will no longer stay in the UP position, Here's something you might try:

    The tiller piece normally sits over the bottom rudder cheek plates and locks in because of the shape of the two contact surfaces. On older boats, these parts can become so worn that the cam shape no longer locks down in place when the tiller is pulled forward. A bit of file work and a couple of screws should fix it.

    Rebuild the cam action as follows. File the tiller casting (both cheeks) from below so that it almost resembles its former shape, but with a difference. The original had a curve from the front, downwards to the back, then a sharp upwards curve which is what locked onto the bottom casting. File this area so that where the curve upwards happened (probably now the most worn area) it is more pronounced and has a definite upwards direction. File it so that it is straighter than it used to be.

    Fix a stainless self tapping screw into the bottom casting, one on each side, so that when the tiller is pulled forward to lock-up position the part you have filed sits down over the new screws. You will have to position the screws so that they take the load evenly, and hold the tiller firmly enough.

    The file work on the top casting reshapes the original rounded cam action into a straighter version. The screws on the bottom casting replace the worn locking area, as if they are putting metal back which has been worn away.

    You might have to adjust the filed areas after the screws are fitted to make the system sit properly.


    Rebuilding the Hobie Rudder Cam Assembly
    Controlling When and Where Your Rudders Kick Up
    by Gary Willcox

    Last month's On The Wire discussed rudder slop and how to eliminate it. Let's discuss another important rudder topic - the Hobie rudder cam assembly. The goals are to adjust cam tension easily and have a positive locking rudder cam. This article will deal specifically with the Hobie 16 rudder system, but the techniques and methods can apply to other boats as well.


    Symptoms of improper cam tension cause the rudders to kick up in heavy weather sailing, or not kick up when the rudders strike the beach. Few things are as aggravating as having the rudders pop up unexpectedly when sailing in heavy weather or when you accidentally "Few things are as aggravating as having the rudders pop up unexpectedly..."
    strike a stick or object in the water. You also don't want to have the cam so tight as to rip out a gudgeon when forgetting to raise rudders when beaching your cat.

    We want to be able to control when and where our rudders kick up. One successful Hobie 16 racer I know uses the "troll and release" method when racing (weekly, local, casual races). The lake they sail on has a lot of plant growth. If he sees a buildup of plants on his rudders, he waits until just before the next mark when the competition is right behind him. He then reaches back and pops a rudder or two and gives his friend a "present." Now that is what I call rudder control.

    One of the biggest obstacles to getting proper cam tension is the 3/4" delrin adjusting screw. This screw will "freeze up" in the rudder casting threads. It is also very easy to strip out the V slot in the screw with your screw driver when trying to adjust or remove it. You then have a delrin screw trapped in your rudder casting that can't be adjusted or removed.

    Our goal is to remove this delrin screw, freshen the threads for the delrin screw, replace the four Hobie rudder cam mechanism parts, and properly adjust the rudder cam tension.
    The tools needed to rebuild this system are: a large screwdriver about 8" long with a 3/8" slotted head; a small screwdriver about 6" long with a 1/4" slotted head; a drill; standard drill bits; a 3/8" x 6" wood boring drill bit; a large bolt (3/4" x 6 1/2" - #10 threads); a large wrench or socket to drive the
    large bolt; WD40 lubricant; a flashlight; and perhaps a coping saw.

    The large bolt should be double checked for thread size by holding it up next to the delrin screw. You will want to purchase the hardened automotive variety bolt so that the threads will hold up better than the cheaper versions. I paid about $4 for mine.



    The Hobie parts needed for this rebuild are: delrin screw, spring, and plunger kit (you will need two kits for about $12 each). While you are at it, you should probably install new rudder cams. You can tell if you need new ones if the top lip is bent or soft. If you have a Hobie dealer nearby, just compare your old one to a new one side by side. If you have cams held in place with rivets, you will also need the sleeve that screws into place since you will be drilling out your old rivet sleeves. I believe the kit with two cams and two screw style sleeves are about $12.

    Hobie cam rebuild steps:


    1. Remove the rudder assembly from the boat and remove the rudder and rudder arm.
    2. Remove the rudder cam by unscrewing or drilling out the sleeve (depending on which style you have). ..
    3. Drill out the delrin screw with the 3/8" wood boring bit.
    4. Chip out the excess delrin remains with the small blade screwdriver.
    5. Remove the spring and plunger from the casting.
    6. Spray the 3/4 bolt with WD40 and insert into lower end of casting. Spray additional WD40 into top of casting hole.
    7. Work bolt in and out until the bolt can be rotated easily. Look down the top of the casting hole with a flashlight to make sure that the bolt is passing through all of the threads, but no further. On my Hobie 16 casting, the bolt was inserted completely when I had about 1/2 inch of bolt left on the bottom of the casting.

    8. Flush out casting hole with water. Air or force dry.


    9. Insert new plunger, spring, and delrin screw from the bottom of the casting. Lubricate top of the plunger with a non-staining water resistant grease.



    11. Attach rudder and rudder arm using David Halls "rudder slop" reduction techniques described last month.
    10. Attach cam and cam screw sleeve.


    If the delrin screw needs additional work to remove, insert a coping saw through the hole in the casting. Make about 4 small 90 degree grooves to weaken the wall of the delrin screw. Just be careful that you do not damage the threads.

    With the rudder in the down position and the cam locked down, adjust the rudder locking plate
    on the rudder arm so that it is snug against the rudder cam lip. This will ensure that the plate will catch the cam and flip it up not leaving the cam in the locked position with the rudder arm up.

    Next, attach the rudder assembly to the boat using the rudder pins. Adjust the delrin screw so that the rudder kicks up with a swift blow with your foot. If you wish to be more exact, a fish scale can be used to get both rudders adjusted the same. Just tie a loop of line around the rudder about 7" from the bottom and pull with a fish scale. Adjust both rudders by adjusting the delrin screw (now an easy task) to about 17-26 pounds of force before they pop up.

    You will also want to make sure that you adjust the rudders using the adjusters on the rudder cross bar so that they are parallel (or for a Hobie 14 or 16, they are toed in about 1/8"). This can be measured with the rudders in the locked down position measuring leading edge to leading edge and trailing edge to trailing edge.

    That's it. Take the finished rudders out for a spin. Bring along your mammoth screw driver, and sockets so you can adjust the delrin screw and the rudder locking plate. Your rudders should lock and unlock flawlessly, never leave the cam locked with the rudder arm up, and should kick up when you want them.

    Gary Willcox
    memphis@one.net
    Hobie 16 #911 hobie911@hotmail.com

    Acknowledgments are due to Matt Miller of Hobie Cat for the specs in this article; David Hall for suggesting a bolt instead of a tap for the thread freshening; my local Hobie Cat dealer Strictly Sail in Cincinnati, OH for always having Hobie parts on hand; various Hobie mail list subscribers for giving insights and tips; and my wife, Mary, for her text proofing and hand modeling.



    if you send me an email, i will forward the instructions with pics. pds624@gmail.com

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