Hi to all

I used to sail a Mystere in the UK back in the mid 80's - I'm looking at a used Prindle 18-2 but its priced at $6500 with a trailer etc - the centerboards have cracks and are swollen - any advice on what price I should be paying for a 18-2 and is it a good boat etc

Thanks for any help

Steve/Josh

WHAT YEAR IS THE BOAT?

NADA used prices
2000 P18/2 $3300-3700
2003 P18/2 $$3700-4200
2004 P18/2 $3900-4400 I think this is the last year made
All these prices are with a trailer

https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/83362

They say it was kept boxed and then finally titled etc in 2005 - so its more like a 1985? model - the condtion doesnt look too bad except for the centerboards

Steve

sounds way expensive for a 1985 boat

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
1967 B-LION for sale
1985 Hobie 18
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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onekiwi

sounds way expensive for a 1985 boat

Thanks Carl

I would be concerned about the trailer. Pictures show 2 different trailers. A Trailex and a regular painted
steel trailer.

Scott

NADA 1987 P 18/2 $1500-1700 with trailer
The closest to 1985, not sure if the were made
earlier, shows as 1987 was the first year
Performance Cat was the manufacture for Prindle

Way too expensive for any 18-2. I had a 19 for a couple of decades and currently have a modified 18-2. Have never seen centerboards swollen. More than likely you will have to buy new boards. I would keep looking. There are plenty of boats out there.

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Scott

Prindle Fleet 2
TCDYC

Prindle 18-2 Mod "FrankenKitty"
Tornado Classic "Fast Furniture"
Prindle 19 "Mr. Wiggly"
Nacra 5.8 "De ja vu"
Nacra 5.0
Nacra 5.8
Tornadoes (Reg White)
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Don't put too much stock in N.A.D.A. An older boat might have a newer tramp and sails, the cost of which might easily exceed the book value of the boat. A lot of these boats are the same year after year. Judge it by it's condition and what you will have to spend to get it the way you want.

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Bill Townsend
G-Cat 5.0
Sarasota
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sizzlesuggs55
This looks like a project someone put together to sell.
There are strong indications this cat was not constructed or modftied by anyone who understands cats.
Why did they cut the extra portholes on such a "new" cat? That is usually indicative of extensive repair, or worse, not knowing how to assemble/disassemble the catamaran.
The metal tie down loops bolted to the crossbars is absolutely unneccessary, weakens the crossbar, and makes the deck even more uncomfortable. The corners on the mounting pad will tear your wet or dry suit.
The tramp uses slugs to affix the rear lacing bar to the crossbar. It will wear poorly when stepped on in between the slugs, like when raising or lowering the mast. And what are those hoops on the tie downs for the hiking straps?
The trap hardware is makeshift and they used oversized line which is a PITA to use when you need it. The brass hook will beat up the fiberglass and hardware when released for use. Otherwise why have a hook?
The existance of swollen centerboards (costing hundreds of dollars each) does not fit with the the much cleaner appearance of the hulls. This cat has many indications of being cobbled together with available mateials.

Hullflyer

1987 P 18/2 $1500-1700 with trailer
The closest to 1985, not sure if the were made
earlier, shows as 1987 was the first year
Performance Cat was the manufacture for Prindle

1985 was the first year for the 18-2, Surfglas became Performance Catamarans a few years later. This listing would be a fair price for a cat that needs two centerboards right away. You cannot sail it without them.
If you end up with an 18-2, I have some information gathered for the greater good:
https://www.thebeachcats.…ictures?g2_itemId=123714

Good luck with your search!

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Sheet In!
Bob
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Prindle 18-2 #244 "Wakizashi"
Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
AZ Multihull Fleet 42 member
(Way) Past Commodore of Prindle Fleet 14
Arizona, USA
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Damn Bob for an older guy you have good eyes!!!!Another thing I noticed when I just had a look at the photos were the shroud plate screws were painted, not standard I believe.
Remind me never to sell a cat in front of you lot!!haha

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
1967 B-LION for sale
1985 Hobie 18
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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onekiwi

Damn Bob for an older guy you have good eyes!!!!Another thing I noticed when I just had a look at the photos were the shroud plate screws were painted, not standard I believe.
Remind me never to sell a cat in front of you lot!!haha

Thanks for the compliment(?), Carl. :)

I'm a fan of being honest, and the selling posting smells distinctly of a cat that was built for money and has not seen much, if any, water time in its selling state. This is deception to a buyer who lacks catamaran experience. So buyer beware of problems sailing it for the first time and having to shake down more than just my list of WTFs...

You sail a Dart 18. Great cat- Ackerman geometry in the tiller, light hulls and perfect balance in the water. A good friend in California has sailed the Dart 18 for almost 4 decades. He oftentimes solos in the Santa Barbara channel. His trampoline has a handle sewn into each corner underneath for you to grab during righting to keep it from continuing over. The Dart is the first cat I ever sew that on.

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Sheet In!
Bob
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Prindle 18-2 #244 "Wakizashi"
Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
AZ Multihull Fleet 42 member
(Way) Past Commodore of Prindle Fleet 14
Arizona, USA
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Thanks for the compliment(?), Carl. :)

hahah~

It was a compliment Bob, I have raced against you in Ventura.

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
1967 B-LION for sale
1985 Hobie 18
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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I had not looked at the pictures before hand, but all comments above are very good... like said, the boat has been recently painted. I didn't recall any boats with blue decks, I thought they were white or grey, but I could be wrong. If you look closely at the pic with the new hatch, the sides of the deck plate are not painted.. it is a sloppy job. You can see paint runs at the top of the centerboard trunk. My guess is they covered the typical gel coat cracks and added paint to hide. I rarely trust newly painted boats.. usually hiding something.

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Scott

Prindle Fleet 2
TCDYC

Prindle 18-2 Mod "FrankenKitty"
Tornado Classic "Fast Furniture"
Prindle 19 "Mr. Wiggly"
Nacra 5.8 "De ja vu"
Nacra 5.0
Nacra 5.8
Tornadoes (Reg White)
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Thanks to all for some very informative reply’s - really appreciate the input - I will definitely be giving this one a wide berth and continue my search

Steve/Josh



Edited by sizzlesuggs55 on Mar 12, 2020 - 11:53 PM.

onekiwi

It was a compliment Bob, I have raced against you in Ventura.

No worries, mate!
I hope to race again this summer- Anacapa and maybe Milt. You undoubtedly realized I was talking about "Dartman" Martinez in my post.
See you there?



Edited by klozhald on Mar 13, 2020 - 02:07 PM.

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Sheet In!
Bob
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Prindle 18-2 #244 "Wakizashi"
Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
AZ Multihull Fleet 42 member
(Way) Past Commodore of Prindle Fleet 14
Arizona, USA
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yesssir

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
1967 B-LION for sale
1985 Hobie 18
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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texastuma

I didn't recall any boats with blue decks, I thought they were white or grey, but I could be wrong.

There were blue and yellow decklids. But these boats usually had impregnated stripes down the side to match the tops

For instance





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John Schwartz
Ventura, CA
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Here's a Prindle 19 that's still available on this site in the same state:

https://www.thebeachcats.com/classifieds/catamarans-for-sale/p16407-1988-prindle-19-for-sale-or-trade.html

https://www.thebeachcats.…9-for-sale-or-trade.html

What are people’s thoughts of this 19 that’s for sale on this site - the price is low - any issues to be looking for.

Thanks for the advice guys

Steve/Josh aka Sizzlesuggs55

sizzlesuggs55

What are people’s thoughts of this 19 that’s for sale on this site - the price is low - any issues to be looking for.

Thanks for the advice guys

Steve/Josh aka Sizzlesuggs55

Worth a look in person
look for soft spots on the hulls, cracks in the beams, cracks in the hulls near the beams, storage condition (not on the dirt), look at the bottoms for wear or "leaks-to-be"

assume the worst: sails and rigging are tramp are end of life.. all should be replaced, so add that to your budget

but i love the p19 - great boat
you can custom rig it for speed and power or cruising

sizzlesuggs55

What are people’s thoughts of this 19 that’s for sale on this site - the price is low - any issues to be looking for.

Steve/Josh

Things I like:
Galvanized trailer with big wheels.
Batten count and sail pattern make it a late model factory dacron pinhead main (early 90's).
Roller furling on the jib is nice.

Questions:
Are the jib battens sewn in vertically parallel to the forestay? I can't tell from the one picture.
A few 19s were made without gelcote stripes- was this one or has it had the hulls repainted?
Is the front mast support on the trailer adjustable in height? it is currently very low...
Are the rudders flat bottomed or round tip? Rudder pics here:
https://www.thebeachcats.…cdd642e0e7b9d091217f94f1
If seller will give you the serial number off the starboard transom it will tell you the year.


Why is there an ad below my post?



Edited by klozhald on Mar 23, 2020 - 01:27 PM.

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Sheet In!
Bob
_/)_____/)_/)____/)____/)_____/)/)__________/)__
Prindle 18-2 #244 "Wakizashi"
Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
AZ Multihull Fleet 42 member
(Way) Past Commodore of Prindle Fleet 14
Arizona, USA
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Thanks again for the help and advice - really appreciate it

klozhald

sizzlesuggs55

What are people’s thoughts of this 19 that’s for sale on this site - the price is low - any issues to be looking for.

Steve/Josh

Things I like:
Galvanized trailer with big wheels.
Batten count and sail pattern make it a late model factory dacron pinhead main (early 90's).
Roller furling on the jib is nice.

Questions:
Are the jib battens sewn in vertically parallel to the forestay? I can't tell from the one picture.
A few 19s were made without gelcote stripes- was this one or has it had the hulls repainted?
Is the front mast support on the trailer adjustable in height? it is currently very low...
Are the rudders flat bottomed or round tip? Rudder pics here:
https://www.thebeachcats.…cdd642e0e7b9d091217f94f1
If seller will give you the serial number off the starboard transom it will tell you the year.


Why is there an ad below my post?Edited by klozhald on Mar 23, 2020 - 01:27 PM.

As far as I know the early ones 89 and earlier had stripped made from gelcoat

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Captain Chris Holley
Fulshear, TX
'87 Prindle 19 "¡Hijole!"
'74 sunfish "1fish"
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cholley12

As far as I know the early ones 89 and earlier had stripped made from gelcoat

I think you are right. My point is to ask about the hulls.

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Sheet In!
Bob
_/)_____/)_/)____/)____/)_____/)/)__________/)__
Prindle 18-2 #244 "Wakizashi"
Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
AZ Multihull Fleet 42 member
(Way) Past Commodore of Prindle Fleet 14
Arizona, USA
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