I've found a 21se I may be interested in, but the sails are shot. Anyone know someone with a decent set of sails they would be willing to part with? I'm looking for a set that will last 2 seasons or so and don't look like butt.

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South Padre Island, TX
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When you are looking for new sails whirlwind makes awesome sails for the 21SE. Also seen Elliot Pattison sails that look really nice too for the 21. Sorry don't know of any used out there.

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Thanks. I did take a look at whirlwind, and they look nice. I wish I had new sails in the budget.

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chump23

I've found a 21se I may be interested in, but the sails are shot. Anyone know someone with a decent set of sails they would be willing to part with? I'm looking for a set that will last 2 seasons or so and don't look like butt.

How bad are the sails with the boat? A good sailmaker can do quality repairs to an old sail to keep it going. Bolt ropes can be replaced, rips fixed, windows replaced, etc.

They didn't make a lot of Hobie 21se since it was a specialty boat (built specifically for a pro race circuit) and only produced from about 1988 to 1992, so there are not going to be a lot of used sails laying around. Something to consider when buying one of those.

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Yeah, I know this is pretty much a shot in the dark. I just thought I'd ask and see. Their are no quality sail makers/repairers within at least 120 miles of me, and it is probably more like 300 miles. The sails are faded, demalinating, stained, frayed, etc. I could probably limp a few sails out of them, but sailing in a large bay with old worn out sails and my family on board is just a recipe for disaster.

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Hobie Getaway
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South Padre Island, TX
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So... it looks like Whirlwind sails lost their website. Are they still in business?

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Hobie Getaway
Prindle 18 - Sold
South Padre Island, TX
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So... it looks like Whirlwind sails lost their website. Are they still in business?

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Hobie Getaway
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South Padre Island, TX
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The Whirlwind site is back up

chump23

So... it looks like Whirlwind sails lost their website. Are they still in business?

What area are you in?

If they have any delamination, they are toast. At my loft, we can exceed the value of the sail very quickly trying to repair that.

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I'm in south Texas, near South Padre Island, and thanks for the definitive. I was fairly certain they were gone.

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South Padre Island, TX
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+1 for whirlwind

The website seems fine

http://www.whirlwindsails.com/

If the boat basically has no sails, you should be able to negotiate the boat price down more than you think. Then use the saved cash to get new sails. A new set of sails will basically make your boat perform "as new" and add a great deal to enjoyment of the sport.

BTW, is this going to be your first catamaran?

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Slo Sail And Canvas
http://www.slosailandcanvas.com/hobie-21-se/

Also makes a good sail and has choices for the Hobie 21SE, between the sites mentioned at least you'll get a realistic idea what new sails would really cost, might not be as bad as you thought.

Absolutely nothing makes you feel better about your boat than new sails.

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Slo Sail And Canvas is the worst vender I have ever dealt with

I sent them a trampoline as a template, they asked for me to get more measurements from my boat tramp track (as they had never built a mystere tramp before) but they never did the work, never returned the tramp, stopped returned my calls after a while

I would not ever recommend them and will go out of my way (ever chance I get) to spread the word.

sorry, I know you long time thebeachcats.com members have heard this many time before

This will be my first cat, but I have logged many hours on h16's. I used to give lessons and take people for joy rides as a summer job in high school. One of my friends also had two 16's. At the time, he and I were the youngest to ever sail the Rough Rider Regada from SPI to Corpus Christi.

I have made offfer that is quit a bit lower than his asking price in order to leave room in my budget for new sails. We'll see what happens in the next few days.

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South Padre Island, TX
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So the 6oz dacron sails are just fine, right?

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South Padre Island, TX
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We've heard it too many times Andrew and we all figure there's another side to it. I get excellent service from SLO and order 1/2 dozen to dozen tramps a year. Pete

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We've heard it too many times Andrew

Yes, we all have...
I would pledge a $50 for you old tramp so we do hear about it ever again. Who is with me?

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I am glad you get good service

I am sure there is another side too...
I am sure I got under his skin after the 3rd or 4th call when I (very politely and professionally) inquired with him why my tramp wasn't completed (weeks if not months after the promise date). I then waited 4 months to post anything about SLO sail and Canvas

but he is not professional or honorable enough to contact me with his side/reasons or to just return the tramp I sent him, or make good for it (as it wasn't even mine)

I heard on catsailor.com from people who know him personally and that reached out to him about this very issue that he:
a. got busy with orders from Murray's
b. was in the middle of moving to a bigger facility
c. was pissed (months later) that I posted negatively about him/SLO Sail and Canvas

None of those are a good reason to not do the work promised, and much more importantly, returning the tramp I sent him as a template.

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We've heard it too many times Andrew

I am not writing this for the benefit of people who have heard it before, but for the benefit of people who haven't. i.e. someone buying their first catamaran

Feel free to skip over my comments if they bug you



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I'm just glad I live in Ca. where I don't ever stand the chance of meeting you. Particularily after your diatribe against Rick on the other site for his innocuous emails promoting his site to try to pay the bills. Pete

that's ok. I'm not here to make you my buddy.
I'll take you off the x-mas card list.

my "innocuous" email was not against Rick trying to make a buck, it was telling him that his lack of a working optout, and harvesting of emails were poor practices and borderline illegal. there was no malice in my post.
But what do I know, I've only been working with emails and newsletters for 20 years and Can-Spam laws since they started in 2003

And most people agreed w me that they were annoying and not a good marketing practice

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Edited by MN3 on Jun 29, 2016 - 03:16 PM.

One of my friends here in Sacramento just bought new sails for his 21SE, and his boat came with 2 sets when he bought it. I don't know if he still has them or not, but I can ping him if you'd like.

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This thread got kind of derailed, so I forgot about it. I didn't end up buying the boat. It needed more work than I had time to deal with. Thanks for the response. I've found a Nacra 5.0 at a good price that appears to be in really nice shape. It isn't what I ultimately want, but will satisfy the need to get on the water with my family. If everyone enjoys it, I'll be keeping my eyes open for a bigger boat.

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those are extremely different boats

If room for a family is what is needed, I would keep looking vs buying something that will make it uncomfortable for the family to sit on - thus reducing the desire for a big family boat

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It isn't what I ultimately want, but will satisfy the need to get on the water with my family. If everyone enjoys it, I'll be keeping my eyes open for a bigger boat.

I understand, but my family is only 4, and $1,200 vs $4,500 or more is talking right now. I've sailed Hobie 16's with 4 people many times, and the Nacra 5.0 has got to be better than that, right?

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I would look for an 18 if you plan 4 people often.

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I would love a bigger boat, but my options is south texas are extremely limited, and considering I plan on sailing in the Laguna Madre which averages about 3' deep. That pretty much negates dagger boards. I have a wanted add for a Hobie 21 SE/SC, Mystere 6.0/5.5, or Nacra 5.7, but I doubt one will become available in my price range nearby. So... I think this may be a good temporary boat until I find a bigger one. I should have no trouble selling this one for what I may buy it for.

Any flaws in my logic?

I think my family's total weight would be a bit under 500 lbs.

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and the Nacra 5.0 has got to be better than that, right?

why do you think this? they are both 16' boats, the same size tramp area (I think) and has even less buoyancy in the hulls (I think).

Sure there is enough room (physically) for 4 full size adults, or 40 umpa-lumpa's but that doesn't make it good idea. both the 16 and 18 are 2 person boats

put 4 people on either boat and the skipper can not move about the boat (switch sides) during a tack
also if you get any real wind the 2 people on the windward side will get very wet, and may actually simply debark the boat unexpectedly

I wouldn't allow 4 people on my 5.5 meter boat despite having a lot more room on my tramp (unless they were very small and sexy women) - the boat would handle like crap, it would not be comfortable (again unless they were sexy) , not fun and in all honesty not really safe to overload any boat - esp with precious cargo

that being said: I have done it. my first season sailing an 18, I gave 3 people a ride home from an island party and I had 4 adults on my h18. it was sunset and very light wind. we all had smiles as we passed my single paddle around and each took turns paddling us home. And then ... the wind picked up. My 2 forward passengers were flooded with water and the boat was burying the bows. any more wind and we would have gone in the drink.


So you can spend $1200 and get a boat that wont realty fit your needs - and everyone will be unhappy and probably never want to sail again

or you can take your time and find the right boat, regardless of the fact that it will cost a lot more to do it right.

OK... good points.
Thanks for being frank about it.

Crap, I suppose I'll wait. There is a nice 21SE a few hours away, I just can't afford it at the moment. Maybe he'll drop the price this fall.

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chump23

OK... good points.
Thanks for being frank about it.

Crap, I suppose I'll wait. There is a nice 21SE a few hours away, I just can't afford it at the moment. Maybe he'll drop the price this fall.

There is a Supercat 20 in Austin in the classifieds http://www.thebeachcats.c…09-1980-supercat-20.html a boat that can truly handle 4 crew at once. $3,000 and weighs less than the Hobie 21SE.

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Right, but it also has 3.5' long dagger boards. Can I cut them down, and still sail upwind? I've thought a lot about that boat, but it has two trailers to drag home. Can I stack them somehow?



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Thanks for being frank about it.

:) no problem - I'm a straight shooter and don't often "flower" up my tone


there are other options besides a h21 for a family of 4
there is the supercat 20
dart 20
miracle 20
gcat21
mystere 6.0 (same crew space/size as my 5.5) but would be fine with wings
and others I am sure

most of these boats have tall rigs and besides the dart 20 are all pretty powerful crafts. not sure if they are the right boat for a family of 4. all depends on skipper and first mate's skill level, kids ability to follow orders and
surf conditions

heck even a getaway with wings could be a good family boat

chump23

Right, but it also has 3.5' long dagger boards.....

Don't worry about it. Boarded boats are easy to sail in shallow water. Just raise them to a shallower depth than the rudders. When your rudders release in the shallows you are now essentially in the same predicament as a boardless boat.


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The SC20 does well with daggerboards part way down. I think the SC19 had a board less option with the same basic hull design. If I recall as long as you drive the nose down a little it provides some horizontal resistance. the rudders have a sacrificial plastic dowel that is designed to protect the transom, wouldn't depend on it, but nice to have. 12' wide boat is a handful to setup, and I would not recommend trailer sailing it.

Check the Aquarius sailing forum I think there is info there about th board less versions of th Supercats.

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While I agree that trailer sailing the SC20 has downsides, it is the only way we've ever done it! It takes about and hour to assemble and another hour to tear down once you know what you're doing, maybe a little faster. It all comes down to if you enjoy it or not. I do. Typically it isn't windy in the mornings when we put it together and I like being off the water before sunset and it is a nice way to end the day by sunset. But I'll admit I'm probably in the minority here.

I live about 500 yards from the local marina, and would only be trailering it on residential roads. I intend to leave any boat I purchase full width on the trailer. As long as the marina gate is more than 12 feet!

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And there are no overhead power lines or limbs that the mast will hit. But yeah, if you have plans like that the SC20 would be great. I really do love that boat which is why it gets to live inside.

chump23

Right, but it also has 3.5' long dagger boards. Can I cut them down, and still sail upwind? I've thought a lot about that boat, but it has two trailers to drag home. Can I stack them somehow?Edited by chump23 on Jul 13, 2016 - 03:24 PM.

Bring help along and you can stack the trailers. We went 2 hours once for a free H16. brought our trailer and planned on just bringing the boat home. After beachwheeling the boat to our trailer we decided to grab the trailer. Two of us muscled the old trailer onto ours, strapped it down, and then put the H16 onto the old trailer and off we went. Worked like a charm. Still sailing that freebie.

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why do you think this? they are both 16' boats, the same size tramp area (I think) and has even less buoyancy in the hulls (I think).

The Nacra is actually closer to 17'. the tramp area is the same, but the N5.0 has WAY more buoyancy in the hulls.
We regularly put350lb on the 5.0, & sail the hell out of it in 25mph winds. My neighbor has 2 H16's, he is about 210lb, & that puts the H16 hulls very low in the water.

The 5.0 is a little small for 4, even if it is 2 adults & 2 kids. the 5.7 is a much better choice. I've done 21mph solo, 2 up,(double trapped), & 3 up, (2 on the wire, one on the hull).
The boardless Nacra is VERY simple, no boom, no boards, nothing to clutter the tramp. You probably WON'T have 4 onbaord all the time, both Nacra are a joy solo, one of the 20' boats might not be so much fun solo, when the wind gets up.
If you are in really shallow water, you can run those skeg hulls aground, without damage, unless it's onto sharp rocks). If you run a board into an immovable object, even a partially raised board, you will do major damage.

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