Tri point is coming up on the 15th...get those entries in!

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
1967 B-LION for sale
1985 Hobie 18
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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anyone in need of crew? May also consider towing my boat there....shoot me a PM. Marek

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Marek
1992 Prindle 19
1981 Prindle 16
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looks like I need crew.......wife cant make it due to work.....we can sail your boat or mine (nacra 5.8).. if interested call my cell # 951 326 9637

As of today there are 8 beachcats registered. Yahoo!
It's gonna be a shootout at 1120 hours next Saturday.
Up Up Up!!! No barging!!!
Hold yer course, bilge-rat!

Ok. No more coffee for me today.

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Sheet In!
Bob
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Prindle 18-2 #244 "Wakizashi"
Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
AZ Multihull Fleet 42 member
(Way) Past Commodore of Prindle Fleet 14
Arizona, USA
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Don't follow me!!! I'm always over the line too early!!! Hope to see all of you guys soon. Bob Martinez



Edited by Dartman on Aug 06, 2015 - 12:32 PM.

When racing the Tri Point next weekend and you encounter one of these, what do you do?



A. Avoid it.

B. Avoid it all cost.

C. Stay as far away from it as I possibly can, past to aft with no less the 1/2 mile of distance between me and that ship at any time.

D. Stop where I am, drink some water, and that start again when it is well past.

E. Play chicken with it because Mr. Darwin is full of it, and I am determined to win this race.

F. Hell with it, I have the right away because I am a sailboat..

G. Answers A, B, C and D.

H.) Answers E & F , and I should probably update my life insurance policy.

Be safe out there next weekend kids, practice good situational awareness, and have fun... Gonna miss doing it this year..

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John Schwartz
Ventura, CA
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E ...it is a race :)

On another note a buddy of mine is looking to crew on a beachcat for the race ,anyone need crew?



Edited by onekiwi on Aug 08, 2015 - 08:46 PM.

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
1967 B-LION for sale
1985 Hobie 18
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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Well, it is a sailboat race right?

Nice one John, I can't imagine what those Pacific container ships look like on the water. The barges I see in the Gulf of Mexico are intimidating enough.

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Damon Linkous
1992 Hobie 18
Memphis, TN

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Damon the most amazing thing about the container ships is how fast they move.

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Scott,
‘92 H18 w/SX wings
‘95 Hobie Funseeker 12 (Holder 12)
‘96/‘01/‘14 Hobie Waves
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And how much wind they block.
In this race, the container ship will block your wind right about when you are directly in front of it. HMMMM...

azcat

And how much wind they block.
In this race, the container ship will block your wind right about when you are directly in front of it. HMMMM...

Get to close to the rear, and the wake will suck you in..... and then you'll have this to deal with

smfinley

Damon the most amazing thing about the container ships is how fast they move.

20 to 25 kts is the norm... they move along pretty good...

azcat

Well, it is a sailboat race right?

I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, I'm Gonna Win This Race Because People Like Me

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John Schwartz
Ventura, CA
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MMMM chopped liver..with a nice Chianti

You have to ask Bob how big they look



Edited by onekiwi on Aug 13, 2015 - 03:39 PM.

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
1967 B-LION for sale
1985 Hobie 18
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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11 cats registered in two groups- spinnaker and non.
Yahoo!
Practice run today in 18 kts and 4 foot chop.
Wet and wild!
Beachcat white flag @ 11:20 tomorrow!



Edited by klozhald on Aug 15, 2015 - 03:32 AM.

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Sheet In!
Bob
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Prindle 18-2 #244 "Wakizashi"
Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
AZ Multihull Fleet 42 member
(Way) Past Commodore of Prindle Fleet 14
Arizona, USA
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tri point race was a blast ..... 1st I want to thank marek for sailing with me ( great guy even if he snores like a freight train ....lol ) ... I also want to say thank to all that showed up , what a great group of people !!!!!!! (everyone is so helpful) ..... there was a super nice guy named jim that took the time to make a taco dinner ( night before the race ) and im talking all kinds of tacos plus rice, beans and so much more !!!!!! thank you thank you jim ... your the man!!!!!
as for the race my boat came in last .....lol .....but we saw a pod of dolfins that made are day.....

all I remember is that when we made it back to the dock after the race , I rolled on to the dock off the boat ( my legs and back were so freakin sore, thank god marek was there to pick me up so I could stand ..lol

I told myself and others I would never do that race again , BUT I woke up today thinkin I cant wait til next year to get out there and "THIS TIME " beat carl in that race ...lol

all in all ... thank you everyone

Jims taco night Is the bomb!!! Sorry I missed the trip pint this year guys, it truly is my favorite sailing weekend of the year!! Well.. Except rocky point for a week in October, .. And the fall series at Lake Pleasant with AYC. ... And the governors cup in December.... Oh, and leukemia cup and birthday regattas in January,... Oh damn I love spring sailing in rocky point too. ... OMG the GT300 was incredible.. ly long and I drank so much effing salt water that I puked every time I took a draw off my camelback, capsized 2 times, broke a spin pole, helicopter, frogman3 times wrong GPS landing coordinateS!! Can't wait to do it again!!.... Border run wind dies 10 miles from the finish and takes an additional 8 hours to finish the race at 12:30am .. Do it again in a heartbeat!!.. And Jims taco nite... Hell yea! I know about Jims taco night.

We all missed you Brett!!! We were fortunate to have great weather and wind, although I could have used another 5-10 mph!!! I think everyone had a great time and I also want to thank Jim for the fantastic food. I'm looking forward to seeing everybody next year for another exciting and memorable race. I would encourage sailors to become members of ASA or even Ventura Sailing Club for a nominal fee just in case PBYC enforces the racing guidelines about racers needing to be affiliated with a club to participate. Also, it would be great if all the catamaran sailors would participate in the after race get-together at PBYC for food, drinks and trophy presentation and thank them for putting on the race and graciously acceping the cat people as worthy participants!!! Bob Martinez, Dart 18

also I would like to say one more thing ...(IM SO SORRY I FORGOT YOUR NAME ) thank you to the guy that did the safety boat job......your the man too ......you spent so many hours at sea to make sure we were all safe.....I felt I was in good hands with you out there...... thank you sir !!!!!!

I had a blast with Tom on his Nacra 5.8.... made me rethink whether I need a boomless boat ! Did we really come in last? I couldn't tell. Having that huge pod of dolphins spend 5 minutes racing with us while I was trapped out definitely made my day . Too bad Tom and I both were too lazy to bring our GoPros... We felt like we were pounding the ocean - well except for the black hole behind Anacapa where everyone disappeared for what seemed like a million years... The weather was awesome and after almost chickening out when we looked at the meager wind forecast the day before we were pleasantly surprised by mother nature the day of the race. So much for using Sailflow and Predictwind...

I am glad I got that dry suit end of last year....in the Pacific ocean it's the only way to stay on top of the temps of the Pacific ocean - unless your 25.

Tom and I flipped the boat Friday afternoon inside the jetty. Fortunately, a bunch of die hard jet skiers and swimmers helped us tow the boat off the rocks the current had pushed us into on to the other side where there was a small beach so we could right the boat back up. That made for another 40 minute interesting episode ...

Boy, Jims Taco spread the day before the race was awesome, thanks again Jim for having us join the gang !

Also, thanks also to PBYC for organizing and letting us participate and for taking care of us and the great dinner after the race.

MBYC has a cat fleet here in San Diego so will try get in touch with those folks to see whether I can join one of their ocean races on my Prindle 19 some time.

Thanks for the reminder Bob, I just renewed my ASA membership !



Edited by marekli on Aug 17, 2015 - 11:32 AM.

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Marek
1992 Prindle 19
1981 Prindle 16
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What makes racers come back to the Tripoint? Az gang always comes; Big Bear group is growing as is Dago & Isabel. IT'S THE WIND!!! Forget predictions, it always has wind in mid-Aug. Close reach starboard start in 8-10, building to 10-12 single trap working to the island with a container ship thrown in for worry. And we never had a screaming reach behind the island before nor a 1 mile completely dead zone. Finally a slow beat to the West end before setting up for a vicious 15 mile reach in 15-18 with 4-5' waves that just grind you down. On my boat at least we always say "never again" Said it 3 years now. Funny how it changes at the harbor docks in the warmth of the afternoon sun. 3 1/2- 4 hrs is about right for a drag race. Already tuning the boat for next year! Pete

pbegle

What makes racers come back to the Tripoint? Az gang always comes; Big Bear group is growing as is Dago & Isabel. IT'S THE WIND!!! Forget predictions, it always has wind in mid-Aug. Close reach starboard start in 8-10, building to 10-12 single trap working to the island with a container ship thrown in for worry. And we never had a screaming reach behind the island before nor a 1 mile completely dead zone. Finally a slow beat to the West end before setting up for a vicious 15 mile reach in 15-18 with 4-5' waves that just grind you down. On my boat at least we always say "never again" Said it 3 years now. Funny how it changes at the harbor docks in the warmth of the afternoon sun. 3 1/2- 4 hrs is about right for a drag race. Already tuning the boat for next year! Pete

First off the Tri Point is not a race...it is an addiction! And there is no 12 step program

When I fist did this on a NACRA 5.8 in 2005 to prove a beachcat could do this and the Hard Way race PBYC was a bit skeptical that we could field enough sailor to make a class... Now it is the largest fleet in the race,, and I hope to see you all next year... All the way from the west end of anacapa to the finish line on a screaming beam reach that day I was saying ... This is a custome made race for a beachcat

There is a rumor the a ultra modern 20' may show up.

Till next August



Edited by JohnES on Aug 18, 2015 - 01:27 AM.

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John Schwartz
Ventura, CA
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I wish i could have made it!!!! Next year for sure! And yes, let the frieghter pass on by. I guess I was used to playing cat and mouse with aircraft carriers but they don't move at 20 knots in the bay.

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David
Nacra 5.5SL
Nacra 5.2 (sold)
San Diego, CA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP4W1GuXd1Q

loved this race. watching it last year was what made me buy a cat and sail at big bear with pete.

here is our vid up to the dead spot behind the island!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CQd-VtcmvQ

bazdarcy

loved this race. watching it last year was what made me buy a cat and sail at big bear with pete.

here is our vid up to the dead spot behind the island!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CQd-VtcmvQ

Cool video... thanks.

Maybe we'll have enough Prindle 18's next year that we can have our own class.... Let's circle back next spring and if this is the case I can let the PBYC know and maybe even get our own trophies...

Shoot me an email c152u ### roadrunner $$$ com

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John

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John Schwartz
Ventura, CA
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I like the idea of A-Fleet and B-Fleet cats because it allows for more trophies than just a combined 1st-3rd. I would, however, like an additional First All-Around trophy based on the ratings. Hope to see you out there John. Bob Martinez, Dart 18, Prindle 18-2, and Nacra 5.2 (Again, thanks to all the sailors that came out this year!!!)

Bob,

There were three NACRA 20's this year.... and there may be a few more next year. If they have five,. they have a class... Factor in Brett.... that's 4, and I am sure there will be another.. I know with myself, Pete Beagle, BazDarcy, Duane and Letty is 4 P-18's... one more and we have a class... maybe that one more can be you? Dump your 18-2, and 5.2 and get an 18..

As for the classes ... I agree, the more classes the better and considering the beach cats had 11 boats entered and this bested the other class entries by at least 100% there should be more trophies.. I don't know where the line was drawn this year.. How did you guys do it? I know that the prior year we did it by DP-N number and I believe the 65 was the divider... In looking at the result I find it odd the that first 4 places in B-Fleet beat the first three in A -fleet after correction... and an average of 20 minutes between the two... Wazup wid dat?

I know were still a long way off, but this is something that Richard and Susan need to start planning for.. I shoot them an email and get their feedback as well as bringing back the Island Series Overall Winner Trophy for both the Trip Point and the Milt..

Anyway, are you going to be around on Sunday? My Saturday is shot with soccer, out of town guest, and other Saturday stuff...

Take care



Edited by JohnES on Aug 26, 2015 - 07:09 PM.

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John Schwartz
Ventura, CA
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I looked at the results myself and noticed that about the first 4 in B fleet beat the first 3 in A fleet ?? with the diverse boats and some high DP-N numbers we may need some more classes to cope with the #'s and boat spread.
We had a great time racing as usual this year with an almost out of control dash on part of the way back!!! With the doldrums on the back of Anacapa it turns the race into a 20 mile dash!



Edited by onekiwi on Aug 26, 2015 - 08:44 PM.

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
1967 B-LION for sale
1985 Hobie 18
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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onekiwi

I looked at the results myself and noticed that about the first 4 in B fleet beat the first 3 in A fleet ?? with the diverse boats and some pie in the sky DP-N numbers we may need some more classes to cope with the #'s and boat spread.
We had a great time racing as usual this year with an almost out of control dash on part of the way back!!! With the doldrums on the back of Anacapa it turns the race into a 20 mile dash!

Carl....

Glad you and your clan had a good time... I am really regretting missing it this year... but duty calls and that duty pays the bills around here..

There is a solution to the out of date DP-N system and it is the SCHRS system... http://www.schrs.com/ratings.php

These ratings are using more recent data points, that are more current than the Porstmouth DP-N.

I am going to plug in the times and the ratings and see where things punch out and maybe we as a group should consider moving over to this. The only problem is even though this system allows for modification, this entails a measurement.. therefore these ratings are for a stock boat with class legal equipment. Maybe we should look to have an open class too.... no rating, race what you bring with what ever equipement is on the boat, and first over the line wins...

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John Schwartz
Ventura, CA
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John can you tell me the formula for the dp-n elasped time and how it works?
Open class sounds cool ...imagine what franken boats would turn up!!
At the end of the day it is all about having a good time.



Edited by onekiwi on Aug 26, 2015 - 10:01 PM.

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
1967 B-LION for sale
1985 Hobie 18
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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onekiwi

At the end of the day it is all about having a good time.Edited by onekiwi on Aug 26, 2015 - 10:01 PM.

Bingo... we have a winner..

As for DP-N

Corrected Time = Elapsed Time × Scale / Handicap

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John Schwartz
Ventura, CA
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Bob Videan, do you want to chime in? John, I'll be out on Sunday; I have Saturday stuff to do and a possible car show that afternoon. Got to get my 70 AMX ready!!!!



Edited by Dartman on Aug 27, 2015 - 12:42 AM.

Regardless of what handycap rating system is used, the course is going to favor some boats/designs over others. In general spinnaker boats get screwed on the tripoint race. With mostly long reaches, they rarely get to use it. I think everyone knows there are boats which are well suited to do well on adjusted time...its kindof the nature of the beast.

I personally think it would be great if we had "Summer Beachcat Seriese" where there are awards based on the results from multiple races. The three that come to mind are: Frencies Rum Run, The Milt Ingram, and TriPoint. Teams need to compete in all three to qualify. It would be good increase participation in the other races.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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genehacker

Regardless of what handycap rating system is used, the course is going to favor some boats/designs over others. In general spinnaker boats get screwed on the tripoint race. With mostly long reaches, they rarely get to use it. I think everyone knows there are boats which are well suited to do well on adjusted time...its kindof the nature of the beast.

I personally think it would be great if we had "Summer Beachcat Seriese" where there are awards based on the results from multiple races. The three that come to mind are: Frencies Rum Run, The Milt Ingram, and TriPoint. Teams need to compete in all three to qualify. It would be good increase participation in the other races.

So what your saying is you're bringing the beast known as the Supercat 20 down next year.... That boat would rule the Tri-Point..

As for the spinnaker boats, yes for the Tri-Point and the Rum Run this is pretty much a useless sail, but for the Milt... you're gonna need it unless your sailing the NACRA 5.8 or 6.0 Norte Merica rig.

As for making these a series.... gonna be a little hard as these are done by two separate clubs... but doable...

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John Schwartz
Ventura, CA
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I have a funny feeling by the time the SC20 was stretching its legs the race would be called off due to high winds!..... but you never know

Time to update your sig Geno



Edited by onekiwi on Aug 27, 2015 - 05:55 PM.

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
1967 B-LION for sale
1985 Hobie 18
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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I am seriously thinking about joining Island races next year on my Prindle 19 or maybe on another boat. The spectacular views with of Channel Islands are a piece I miss down here in San Diego...it's a nice way to catch a piece of them together with some action from a bunch of boats jockeying for position all along the way..

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Marek
1992 Prindle 19
1981 Prindle 16
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Do it Mareck, we need more beachcats in the race.Hopefully Tom will be back also.I will talk to the PPYC and see if they can do a tri-point race every weekend in August

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
1967 B-LION for sale
1985 Hobie 18
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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onekiwi

I have a funny feeling by the time the SC20 was stretching its legs the race would be called off due to high winds!..... but you never know

Time to update your sig GenoEdited by onekiwi on Aug 27, 2015 - 05:55 PM.

Gino and Carl....

You guys ever bring the beast down here to wring it out let me know... I would love to get a ride on it..

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John Schwartz
Ventura, CA
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onekiwi

Do it Mareck, we need more beachcats in the race.Hopefully Tom will be back also.I will talk to the PPYC and see if they can do a tri-point race every weekend in August

Question.... how would you guys feel about being able to camp and launch from the beach that is closer to the mouth of the harbor.... The same place the use to stage the Hobie Blue Water regatta from?

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John Schwartz
Ventura, CA
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JohnES, That would be awsome to be able to leave the boats on the beach. That would be so nice compared to the dock/ramp situation.

The Supercat would do well in rough conditions but its a very heavy boat compared to modern 20ft boats. It would likely be dog in light condtions.

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Geno Hacker
Lake Isabella, California
Supercat 20, 1/2 of a B-Lion, H18, P16, H14
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Beach idea sounds great,we would have to remember to cross finish line before heading to the beach!!lol

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Carl

Dart 18x2
Nacra 5.8
1967 B-LION for sale
1985 Hobie 18
Windrider Rave x2 for sale
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onekiwi

Beach idea sounds great,we would have to remember to cross finish line before heading to the beach!!lol

good point...!!!

I prefer beach camping over any hotel..although if I crewed on another guys boat and spent 2 or 3 days sailing I might consider towing my trailer to camp in for 2 nights.

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Marek
1992 Prindle 19
1981 Prindle 16
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genehacker

I personally think it would be great if we had "Summer Beachcat Series" where there are awards based on the results from multiple races. The three that come to mind are: Frencies Rum Run, The Milt Ingram, and TriPoint. Teams need to compete in all three to qualify. It would be good increase participation in the other races.

I bought my Prindle 19MX specifically so that I could enter these three races. I think a Summer Beachcat Series is an awesome idea. The details of trophies, rankings, etc would have to be handled by the beachcat class itself rather than one of the two clubs. Are there enough boats that would make all three races? Making this a series might increase numbers but there was only one boat that did both Milt Ingram and Tri Point.

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1990 Prindle 19MX
1976 Nacra 5.2
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I think a Summer Beachcat Series is feasible and doable. I believe it could be handled by the Ventura Sailing Club working hand-in-hand with Anacapa Yacht Club and Pierpont Bay Yacht Club. I think we can come up with an equitable rating system that most cat sailors can agree upon and make the multihull fleet, including the ORCA boats, a more active and visible "partner" in the race series, which hopefully will continue to grow in number as word of our fantastic racing venue and race organization gets around.
Bob Martinez, VSC Vice-Commodore and Multihull Fleet Captain

Dartman

I think a Summer Beachcat Series is feasible and doable. I believe it could be handled by the Ventura Sailing Club working hand-in-hand with Anacapa Yacht Club and Pierpont Bay Yacht Club. I think we can come up with an equitable rating system that most cat sailors can agree upon and make the multihull fleet, including the ORCA boats, a more active and visible "partner" in the race series, which hopefully will continue to grow in number as word of our fantastic racing venue and race organization gets around.
Bob Martinez, VSC Vice-Commodore and Multihull Fleet Captain

Well Mr. VSC Vice-Commodore and Multihull Fleet Captain.. better get your Mexi-CAN butt to work... there is much to be done between now and next May...

Let me know how I can help.

See you tomorrow



Edited by JohnES on Aug 29, 2015 - 06:45 PM.

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John Schwartz
Ventura, CA
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what are usually the dates for the other 2 island races? Be useful to start getting those in the calendar..

Catsailor only lists Tri Point race on their Southwestern schedule..but there's a few other listings...

July 10-14 -- Fleet 42 Invasion of Mission Bay - Bahia Resort - San Diege, CA
July 18-19 – ABYC Multihull Invitational, Long Beach, CA, Alamitos Bay Y,C abyc.org
July 18-19 – Round Treasure Island, Alameda, CA, keboyd_4@yahoo.com
Aug 1-2 – Mile High Regatta, Huntington Lake, CA, h16@sbcglobal.net
Aug 3-7 – Hobie 18/20 North Americans, Huntington Lake, CA, 805-610-7812
Aug 15 -- Tri-Point Race - Around Anacapa - Ventura, CA
Aug 15-16 – Wine & Roses Regatta, Santa Barbara, CA, North/South Challenge, steve@infocuspromo.com
Aug 29-30 – Labor Day Regatta, Long Beach, CA, Alamitos Bay YC, abyc.org
Aug 30 – Jazz Cup - TI to Benicia, North SF Bay, CA, South Beach Yacht Club
Sept 12-13 – Shark Feed, Bodega Bay, CA, keboyd_4@yahoo.com
Sept 19-20 -- Fleet 42 Family Fun Weekend - Roosevelt Lake
Sept 26-27 -- Arizona Yacht Club Fall Series - Lake Pleassant
Sept 26-27 – Division 3 Champs, Richmond, CA, gene@pedrick.org
Sept TBD – Lake Arrowhead Regatta, Lake Arrowhead, CA, dunndl@charter.net
Sept TBD – Big Bear Lake, Big Bear, CA, dunndl@charter.net
Oct 9-11 -- Rocky Point Challenge / Pinata Regatta - Rocky Point, MX
Oct 10-11 -- AYC Fall Series - Lake Pleasant
Oct 10-11 – Piñata Regatta, Puerto Peñasco, MEX, John Eger jeger@cox.net
Oct 16-17 – Coyote Point Fun Regatta, Eureka, CA, keboyd_4@yahoo.com
Oct 24-25 – Great Pumpkin Pursuit Race, SF Bay, CA, Richmond Yacht Club
Oct 24-25 -- Fleet 42 Family Fun Weekend- Roosevelt Lake
Oct 24-25 -- Arizona Yacht Club Fall Series - Lake Pleasant
Nov 7-8 -- Arizona Yacht Club Fall Series - Lake Pleasant
Nov 21-22 -- Arizona Yacht Club Fall Series - Lake Pleasant
Nov 21-22 – Turkey Day Regatta, Long Beach, CA, Alamitos Bay YC, abyc.org
Dec 5 -- Arizona Yacht Club Govenors Cup - Lake Pleasant

Mission Bay Yacht Club has a larger cat fleet in San Diego, mostly Nacra/Inter20 and F18s...there's a few Prindle's that don't really race regularly but if they got a few more boats they might consider making a class. For those in the San Diego area that's a good option. They host regular short course bay cat races but also a few regattas incl. 5 open ocean regattas. My understanding is those are open to non-members. For this year they are done with open ocean races.

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Marek
1992 Prindle 19
1981 Prindle 16
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