Bought two sets of the adjustable trapeze hardware from Murray's. My wife hated them and then Friday 15+ and high waves one of them let go on my crew as we were boiling along. I was then single handing a 5.8na in 15+ and 4-6' waves. I furled my jib (great investment) and had to jibe around for 30 minutes trying to a) find him and b) line up to pluck him out of the drink.

As I installed my old trapeze gear (Worked great), I heard other stories of these letting go. If you buy them, don't trust the factory knots! Simple is best. They are going back.

I hear there is a man overboard pattern one can sail, does anyone know it?

i have never had a problem with my adjusters.. however i did see a guy go from flying 100% (any higher would capsize) to hitting a windless spot and have the hull drop down kinda fast. his old rusted out adjuster gave out and dunked him. it was great to watch.. not so great for him. (i keep an eye out for corrosion on them now).

I do agree with every new block/cleat you have one more item to fail.... but i can't see how a clamcleat gave out unless he was hanging off the adjustment end of the line.


I have found man overboard rescue is a skill and needs practicing... (and refreshers)...

i THINK that a long and wide figure 8 is the way to go... it would be hard to get a good line up (on picking up someone in the drink) with 2 quick tacks, and sailing in small circles is pretty hard too.

I had a comical experiences as crew last winter where my ballcap flew off and we spent 30 minutes trying to get back into position to get it.. .never got it back...



edited by: andrewscott, Jul 06, 2010 - 06:41 PM

We think it was one of the factory knots that let go. I've not had time to examine the unit completely. No mechanical hardware failed. What was scary was loosing him in the swells and trying to stay upright while jibing in high winds. I finally got close enough to toss a rescue line. We were 3-4 miles off shore at the time. Headed straight in and put the old stuff back on and had a blast the rest of the day.

life is much more "exciting" when you survive wild wind and water.

kinda makes me feel alive (not that its fun)... but after... wow!

gotcha on the hardware...i can see a factory knot coming undone.



edited by: andrewscott, Jul 06, 2010 - 09:25 PM

Tie a whistle onto each life jacket.
To pick someone out of the water I usually sail up wind to them and put them right between the hulls. Turn straight into the wind and let them clime up the main beam. Maybe not in high waves.....



edited by: skarr1, Jul 06, 2010 - 09:14 PM

In my keelboating course years ago, we were taught to sail a "hockey stick", it is too hard to try & come directly back to someone. If you have more than 2 people on the cat, brief them before hand that in the event of a MO, YOU will sail the boat, the others only job is to never take their eyes off the MO. That will solve most of the problem of "where are they now?"
As mentioned every sailor should have a Fox 40 whistle attached to their PFD, you simply cannot yell loud enough to be heard, or for very long.
It doesn't really apply to beachcats, but at the first call of MO, the closest person threw the MO pole over, an end weighted pole with flag that drifted about the same as a body.

We always approached & luffed up, or hove to just to the downwind of the MO, you didn't want a multi ton lead mine drifting over top of the victim.
I think a cat would work the same, luff up , with them on the upwind hull. Running them between the hulls would be very easy to misjudge your final stopping point, & if they didn't grab the DS I think you could kill them in big waves.

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Bombardier Invitation (Now officially DEAD)
Various other Dock cluttering WaterCrap
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The MOB pattern I learnt is
0) shout "Swim" at MOB & assign a "pointer" to point out the MOB at all times; then:

1) Luff up to (almost) head to wind
2) Fall off to dead down wind (w/o tacking)
3) continue on for 8 boat lengths
4) head up to on the wind
5) once you cross your MOB; tack
6) pick up MOB to leeward luffing head to wind to stop the boat (if you have a hold of your MOB!)

I find on a cat it depends on your course, if sailing downwind you may be able to just luff up and start at 4)
and eight boat lengths is not enough! I use almost twice that but you don't want to overdo it for fear of losing sight of your MOB.
Whatever you do My MOB motto is: Take your time and get it right the first time. Doing it over will always take longer than doing it right.

Good idea Dennis about having a "pointer", that was on our course, I forgot about it. It removes the ambiguity that may result from the skipper asking "where is he?" you simply go to where he is pointing.

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Mystere 6.0XL Sold Was a handful solo
Nacra 5.7
Nacra 5.0
Bombardier Invitation (Now officially DEAD)
Various other Dock cluttering WaterCrap
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how often do you have 3 on a beachcat? its rare i have any crew.

a few weeks ago a very enthusiastic newbie was out (capsized) in about 18mph on a h16. as we sailed up on him my friend told me " go up there and tell him to get on the righting line.. i will sail up and help lift his mast" (a skill my friend is good at).. when i sailed up to the h16 i never saw his crew in the water. i apparently sailed right past him.

the guy in the water was around 300lbs. not wearing a pfd and didn't signal or yell at me at all when i almost sailed over him.

my friend saw him.. picked him out of the water and dropped him off at the h16. the combined weight of the crew and skip were almost 2x the boat weight... (they had no problem righting it)

later we all met up on a close island and i gave them a piece of my mind (nicely).

The crew explained to me that he wasn't wearing a pfd so he could dive under the water and under my boat... i explained to him i have 3' dagger boards under my 3' hulls.... (the guy was so,..... "buoyant" i doubt he could get 6' below water)

I politely explained how stupid this was.. :)
i said... you should have your life jacket on.. esp with a rookie skipper, esp in winds above 10mph, etc
i explained when in the water... wave, scream, yell at any boat that is heading your way (or you may sleep with the fishies after it hits you)

the take away message here is: know and brief your crew what to do in the even of.... I used to take any hot girl who wanted to "strap on a harness" for a sail. now i ask.. Can you swim? (for real). and how well? Here is what you do if I fall overboard... here is what you do if you fall overboard... STAY WITH THE BOAT, here is how to perform mouth to mouth in-case i get drunk and need a kiss... etc.... :)

I do have a whistle on my pfd. i usually have a nife in it too.

Should be noted in heavy conditions... a whistle is just about useless.. this year at the Tybee.. a skipper fell overboard and it took along time for the crew to find him.. he said he was waving his arms and using his wistle.

he ended up activating his emergency beacon and the coast guard showed up. there was a lot of discussion on the other site's forums about what could have been done differently.. and in that situation, a hand flare would have been the only thing that would have helped.



edited by: andrewscott, Jul 07, 2010 - 12:18 PM

Andrew...Good story and my point exactly. My pal is an experienced sailor, had a pfd on but was cramped and exhausted when I pulled him out. He also was having a hard time swimming against the waves (which on lake Mi can be very steep.) This weekend was blowing like a banshee and we had the "big holdiday weekend" crowd down at the beach. We were all aghast at parents who were taking young children in k mart vests into the blow on boats that rarely leave the beach. Incredible. Thank goodness we have a crack guard service because they were very busy righting capsized boats.

yea, it amazes me to see how negligent some people are with their kids... (and themselves). i see guys in canoes and kayaks with infants in them.. paddling through the intra-coastal... some infants have life-jackets, some dont.

the coast guard has recently been called out for several rescues form idiots stuck on islands in low tide? one Einstein lit the fricken island on fire with a signal flair...

When I was MUCH younger, a group of us lake-sailed with 3 or 4 onboard in good wind, just 2 if the wind was down. At a lull, or if there were enough folks oboard who knew how to sail, the captain would yell CAPTAIN OVERBOARD and jump off. It was an enforced MO drill with no warning, but who gets warning anyway. Chuckles and curses abounded, but we all got real good at manuvering our cat minus the guy who was just running most of it, and getting them back on to give them some cooler-water over the head. I still sail with those guys, but I don't think we've done that in years

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Larry,

I dropped my wife in Lake Michigan a couple years ago in the same weather conditions as last weekend. She was on the wire when we came down off a wave and the shock snapped the trapeze wire about 3 feet above her hands (have since replaced all standing rigging and trap lines). So she went for a swim. I had to circle back and pick her up, with only me left on the boat. Was able to bring the boat to a near stop in irons with her between the hulls so she could climb back on. She was in a wetsuit, spraytop and lifejacket so once she calmed down she was ok being in the water. Man over board visibility is the reason my spray tops are bright yellow or bright red, with red lifejackets.

Last weekend I saw two teenage girls on a Hobie wave with PFD's strapped around the mast instead of on them. Some poeple just don't understand. Maybe overly comfortable with knowing the rescrue boat is in the area.

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Scott,
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‘95 Hobie Funseeker 12 (Holder 12)
‘96/‘01/‘14 Hobie Waves
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Jackets are a choice (only for adults)... such as helmets for motorcyclists.

stupid to go without, but some people demand to be stupid

(myself included as i used to sail without a jacket often. now i rarely go without)

I also would sail without my PFD on when I was younger, however only on small lakes in light wind. Anytime the wind picked up I would put on my PFD, or when on a big body of water. However to see kids on Lake Michigan in 15+ wind without them on seemed just stupid to me. Not to mention the water is still fairly cold. With the splashing and spray off the water I was wanting my spraytop when I was out last weekend, water temp is still in the low 60's.

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Scott,
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‘95 Hobie Funseeker 12 (Holder 12)
‘96/‘01/‘14 Hobie Waves
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My buddy and I were laughing about how we'd tie off those coast guard approved cushions to the tramp and say we were in compliance when we were younger. Saturday we went out with my wife on board and she noted he had forgotten his pfd. We went right back to he beach. Scott we all were in shorties last weekend. I agree. We are very spoiled at Glencoe and Wilmette.

what changed my mind on wearing pfd was... not being able to get up my big mystere bows with wet long-johns and ronstan inshore farmer john bib in cold weather... (upper 50's is frigid here).

i always wore it in 10+, waives, boat traffic, rain, spinnaker out, etc.

my biggest issue has always been on the wire it chokes me... i have solved that with a 2' thin bungie accross my lifejacket. i can completely unzip it on the wire and it isn't falling off me. i can also run the bungee under the hook and it holds my harness up.

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i have solved that with a 2' thin bungie accross my lifejacket. i can completely unzip it on the wire and it isn't falling off me. i can also run the bungee under the hook and it holds my harness up.

Sounds like Andrew found some redneck sailing suspenders.. Glad to hear it works.

I wear kayaking PFD's for that very reason, helps keep the jacket down at the same time not intefering with harness. It also helps to be tall with a long torso.

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Scott,
‘92 H18 w/SX wings
‘95 Hobie Funseeker 12 (Holder 12)
‘96/‘01/‘14 Hobie Waves
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hahah...
when in Rome ... I mean Tampa... yea haw



edited by: andrewscott, Jul 08, 2010 - 10:41 AM

The law where I am says you can go without wearing your PFD on a sailboard, canoe, small dinghy,Cat or other non powered craft, BUT if you are not wearing it then you are required to have the paddles/signalling/heaving line & other stuff generally required on a power boat of up to 6 meters.
So the cops just hand you a $250 non compliance fine if you are not wearing it, as nobody carries all the other gear.

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Dart 15
Mystere 6.0XL Sold Was a handful solo
Nacra 5.7
Nacra 5.0
Bombardier Invitation (Now officially DEAD)
Various other Dock cluttering WaterCrap
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2nd trip out on the Prindle 19 it was gusting to 17, we went on a close haul all the way across Burt Lake (Northern Mi..LP) about 9 miles..after coming about to head back my son was freeing the jib sheet from the bottom of the mast whilst holding on to the line that adjusts the bullet block for the 4-way jib for ballast, when it uncleated from the other side he went right over..I had him by his ankles for a few seconds but decided all the years of raising him now was not the time for revenge and let go of him so he could get his head out of the water.
Now, all by myself on this beast I had put 10 boat lengths on him before I could get her in irons & furl the jib
Had to gyb to get back to him and damn near lost it twice..could not get back to him no matter how I tried, best I could do was about 30 yds from him & get into irons..waves were making him tired of swimming..at least he had a PFD & water was 70 degrees..Pontoon boat came out thankfully & fished hm out but they wanted to take him in & leave me to my own mess to get back to the state park 9 miles the other way by myself..took some convincing but I finally got him back on board & we flew a hull most of the way back :)



Edited by carl2 on Aug 22, 2017 - 02:04 PM.

glad it turned out ok
drift anchor (sock) or regular anchor may have helped

carl2

Pontoon boat came out thankfully & fished hm out but they wanted to take him in & leave me to my own mess to get back to the state park 9 miles the other way by myself..took some convincing but I finally got him back on board & we flew a hull most of the way back :)

It is hard to believe how self-righteous some people can be when giving aid. If your son is "under age", pontoon jerk would have been kidnapping to take him from you, and possibly endangerment toward you.
It only gets worse from here.

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Prindle 16 #3690 "Pegasus" Sold (sigh)
AZ Multihull Fleet 42 member
(Way) Past Commodore of Prindle Fleet 14
Arizona, USA
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I keep a rescue bag that as a 75 foot length of rope in it. Can throw it (about 50 feet) and that way only have to get close to man overboard to haul them in. Mine is made for kayak rescues and comes from NRS. Seems like a good thing to have in the trap bag. Anyone else have any experience with this.

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ARC 21
Prindle 18
Annapolis, Maryland
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Practiced heaving to, Carl? Would be a great skill for your son to learn, for when dad falls off the wire.

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You know, I've got a righting bag on board,,never thought of it as a sea anchor or rescue line..thx (well, actually I have cause I read it here, just didn't put it into practice, I didn't think of it, to much going thru my head nor did I have extra line)

nohuhu,, I've noticed that in CRAM racing when they are congregating & waiting for the start they "Park" the cats...not quite sure how its done..looks like backwinding the jib & turning rudder into wind & holding it with a lose sail?

My son is 28 now, married now & gave me a grand daughter..going to help him get a Hobie 16 this week for CRAM racing



Edited by carl2 on Aug 23, 2017 - 08:30 AM.

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I keep a rescue bag that as a 75 foot length of rope in it. Can throw it (about 50 feet) and that way only have to get close to man overboard to haul them in. Mine is made for kayak rescues and comes from NRS. Seems like a good thing to have in the trap bag. Anyone else have any experience with this.

I sail with a guy who carries one on his tramp every time we sail in any real weather

I've never seen him deploy it, but i think it's a great idea

I have seen people fall overboard and get hypodermic - it is scary

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You know, I've got a righting bag on board,,never thought of it as a sea anchor or rescue line..thx (well, actually I have cause I read it here, just didn't put it into practice, I didn't think of it, to much going thru my head nor did I have extra line)

I think i righting bag would help (slow the boat), but would/could take too much time to deploy (get out, make sure attached, lower into water, hold lip open to fill and then hope it doesn't collapse and let most of the water out when you let go

I don't think it would make a great throwable (it will sink, and has blocks attached - could hurt or knock out the person in the water, that wouldn't help)

a wind sock (drift anchor) is very small, light and easy to deploy (also cheap)
i don't carry one but i don't sail in heavy air anymore, and carry an anchor at all times - but i still think i will get one

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nohuhu,, I've noticed that in CRAM racing when they are congregating & waiting for the start they "Park" the cats...not quite sure how its done..looks like backwinding the jib & turning rudder into wind & holding it with a lose sail?

heaving to is the correct way to park in this situation (i believe)
to do this, you furl the jib if you can
travel out the main about 1 foot (may be different for different boats)
and secure the rudders over hard (all the way) in the opposite direction from the main

your sail will try to head you up, your rudders head you down - your boat can still drift a little but not sail



Edited by MN3 on Aug 23, 2017 - 08:49 AM.

A throwable with line could be kept under the tramp easy enough..could keep a drift sock with it too..how much line does a drift sock need?

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A throwable with line could be kept under the tramp easy enough..could keep a drift sock with it too..how much line does a drift sock need?

the ones at BassPro come with a "Includes 76" tethering strap with corrosion-resistant clips"
the ones at WestMarine "30' of rope, "

as long as it is free of snags, it doesn't have to be long ... (i think - i have never used one)

http://www.basspro.com/sh…_googleproductextensions

http://www.cabelas.com/pr…EgJLofD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

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to do this, you furl the jib if you can
travel out the main about 1 foot (may be different for different boats)
and secure the rudders over hard (all the way) in the opposite direction from the main

Leave the jib out, backwinded. That tries to drive the bows downwind, opposite rudder counteracts it. On the Nacra we can drop the main, or leave it in a null position.
Different boats react differently when hove-to.
When sailing on a blue water full keeled Rafiki 38, we sat nearly motionless. The rounded hulled Cats, my H18, & previous Mystere would drift downwind much quicker than the skeg hulled NACRAs. Dropping the boards on the Hobie slows this considerably, but it can also change the trim, you often have to very slightly adjust the main to compensate.
Skeg hulls are dream. I once parked the N5.7 with jib & bungeed rudders whilst I dropped the main to retrieve a top batten that was hanging halfway out. In a real blow I could have tied up the main & sat there til I finally hit the lee shore.
All sailing courses teach heave-to, IMO all sailor should know how to do it, & how your particular boat best does it.

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Nacra 5.7
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Bombardier Invitation (Now officially DEAD)
Various other Dock cluttering WaterCrap
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carl2

nohuhu,, I've noticed that in CRAM racing when they are congregating & waiting for the start they "Park" the cats...not quite sure how its done..looks like backwinding the jib & turning rudder into wind & holding it with a lose sail?

To park, head into the wind close-hauled. Sheet the jib from the wrong side until the clew crosses the mast base. Travel your main sail all the way out, sheeted snugly, and push your rudders away from you. Fix the tiller in this position if you can by extending the stick to the side stay. The cat will stay to weather like this, gently sawing back and forth, even in the ocean.

The yellow paperback, Catamaran Racing: For the 90's, has good information on handling your cat, including how to back up!

Rick Whte, the author of the above book, also published this one: Sailing Drills: How to Sail Better, Faster, Smarter, Safer. It takes catamaran handling to a much greater level. Makes for a fun day (or two) on the water learning how to do this stuff.

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Leave the jib out, backwinded. That tries to drive the bows downwind, opposite rudder counteracts it. On the Nacra we can drop the main, or leave it in a null position.

Jib may or may not be best depending on boat, wind and wave action.
if something goes wrong (i.e. the line securing the tililer fails) you are opening a can of worms

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Different boats react differently when hove-to.

totally agree and i should have disclaimed for that

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Jib may or may not be best depending on boat, wind and wave action.
if something goes wrong (i.e. the line securing the tililer fails) you are opening a can of worms

It's a very small can, perhaps a single skinny worm, barely worthy of baiting a perch hook.
If the tiller does let go, you are merely in the position you use to tack, with a backwinded jib. Nothing happens very fast while tacking, even if you have the rudders pointing the right way. If let loose they will settle at close to null position, & you will slowly come around. With the main free, it will stay at null, untill it hits the shroud, giving you plenty of time to push the rudders back where you want them.
I have hove-to on all my Cats, save for the new to me Dart, I would leave the jib out, drop the main if you are in for a real blow, or prolonged sit.



Edited by Edchris177 on Aug 23, 2017 - 03:23 PM.

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Various other Dock cluttering WaterCrap
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I have hove-to on all my Cats, save for the new to me Dart, I would leave the jib out, drop the main if you are in for a real blow, or prolonged sit.

i am not a fan of the "on the water main drop" unless it is real do - or -die"

I would have pulled in my jib at the first chance to depower my boat and ducked behind an island.

MN3

my biggest issue has always been on the wire it chokes me... i have solved that with a 2' thin bungie accross my lifejacket. i can completely unzip it on the wire and it isn't falling off me. i can also run the bungee under the hook and it holds my harness up.

Test that baby out in full immersion... you add a lot to this forum and I'd hate to lose that.

I have recent experience with a similar situation on my PFD; I had a bad day at the local run-bike-paddle triathlon this year... among other things, I dumped my boat, got separated from it, and got sucked back into the rapids and further below the surface than I care to remember. I had my paddle PFD belt clipped but had slacked on zipping up... I wasn't 'planning' to swim! The PFD belt separated and as I was going down, the PFD was going UP and with me trying to swim up to the surface, that PFD was at my elbows almost immediately. I pulled my arms down and grabbed the vest and used one arm to hold it with the other arm still digging for the surface. I popped up next to one of the race rescue kayaks and grabbed on and kicked for shore with the kayak assist. Said rescuer rightfully observed: "That PFD will work better if it was zipped onto you. You're the first guy I thought we might actually lose today." That's not how I want to finish... or is that a DNF?

Lots of great MOB stuff in this thread! I'll be discussing this with my crew.

Zip/Buckle it up, and make it back to share the story here!

Randii

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Test that baby out in full immersion... you add a lot to this forum and I'd hate to lose that.

Thanks Randii -
your experience sounds terrible -

I have capsized a few times (or jumped in) and had the jacket rise up and cover my face - i didn't find that comfy nor helpful

I amended my method at that time and started to use the webbing/buckle that is on the bottom of the West Marine pfd i have used for the past decade (not the same exact pdf) - this holds the pdf much closer and tighter (while leaving room for the hook) and would help keep it in place if/when i go swimming


as it were, i purchased a boat 2 years ago with wings - and hadn't wore a harness in years (broke the hook of my harness and didn't replace it)

I JUST purchased a new spreader bar (hook) and rigged trap wires on my boat again for the first time in years.



Edited by MN3 on Aug 24, 2017 - 08:39 AM.

MN3, I had a PFD I loved, unless I was on the wire. Same issue and I tried everything including the bungee, but to no avail.
We don't want to lose you in a freak PFD/bungee accident. You provide too much info and entertainment (see other thread, going on)
My humble opinion is to go to sporting goods store and wear out a salesperson or two trying on everything possible with the harness on and attempting to jack that harness into flying position. Maybe search out the best looking saleswoman in the store to assist
I did exactly this and found one that worked for me in all conditions. PFD, not saleswoman. FWIW, it's a kayak zhik, but it's all about personal fit and choice, so my experience is just that, mine.

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Windrider 17
Several Sunfish and Sunfish clones
Ratboat built from Zuma and Sunfish parts
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Thanks windwardde
I no longer use the bungee, and use the bottom webbing / clip


edit- removed my comments about brands that i don't have first hand knowledge of



Edited by MN3 on Aug 24, 2017 - 02:46 PM.

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your experience sounds terrible

It got my attention, certainly. The road rash from crashing out the bike in a different leg of the same race was worse! In any case, I survived both and am zipping in better, so we'll call it a net win... and with a new slowest time in the race, I'm certain next year will be a relative improvement!

Sounds like you had the unfastened jacket figured out on your own... no surprise, considering how much sailing you seem to squeeze into your days. Color me jealous.

I'm still looking (lazily) for a better PFD/harness solution. The Blood Red kickstarter campaign has my interest, I hope they can get the appropriate ratings for stateside use. I've tried on a Mustang that I like, as well, but I'd rather have closed-cell foam than an inflatable, at least for my beach cat. Seems like every different vessel I'm on has a different optimum configuration.

Randii

Throw bags are 60 bucks at West Marine.



$$$ you would gladly spend, if you still could, when you actually need one.

(Probably twice that if you are the one in the water,..)

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I used to Solo all the time Hobie 16/14 at Channel Islands in the Pacific and would practice the following drills all the time. When I had a crew, I made them practice with me as well.

Getting confident is very useful.

1.) I Always carried an extra life vest (old but useable) and would toss it overboard and practice searching for it.
2.) I frequently practiced righting my boats in progressively larger seas and heavier winds.
3.) I practiced sailing backwards and had a system of picking up the MO (vest) by backing into it.

I mastered this in calm seas then progressively worked up into scary seas.

No one was ever allowed on my boat without a proper pfd PROPERLY worn.

I also carried the following:

Portable VHF
Whistle on every vest and one on the boat
Sea Anchor
One flare and one smoke
I coil of rope to make temporary standing rigging and help with anything else, lashing etc.



Edited by afvenom on Aug 25, 2017 - 05:50 AM.

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I require $100 (cash) to throw a life saving device to anyone

cash up front - NO I.O.U.'s nor checks!!!!

nohuhu

Throw bags are 60 bucks at West Marine.



$$$ you would gladly spend, if you still could, when you actually need one.

(Probably twice that if you are the one in the water,..)

HaHa

MN3

I require $100 (cash) to throw a life saving device to anyone

cash up front - NO I.O.U.'s nor checks!!!!

nohuhu

Throw bags are 60 bucks at West Marine.



$$$ you would gladly spend, if you still could, when you actually need one.

(Probably twice that if you are the one in the water,..)

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Even more affordable, I have one, certainly adequate:

https://www.amazon.com/Scotty-793-Throw-50-Feet-Floating/dp/B002BBK59C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1503674282&sr=8-3&keywords=throw+rope

I recommend the throw bags from NRS. https://www.nrs.com/categ…cue/throw-bags-tow-ropes. They also make good PFDs.

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Annapolis, Maryland
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"How low can you go?"



https://www.amazon.com/At…RID=7V37EZ01AKTRD87DJ8P5

Hoping MN3 will give me a discount, when he throws me this,..

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Prindle 18
96734
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